Middle East Conflict

Mr Kobayashi said:
Hamas got their Weapons through the tunnels under the border with Egypt.


It's possible for them to have bitten off more than they could chew and still be aware that a military victory wasn't possible.

Some might have described the Black Hand Gang as Baldrickian, but 4 years after their killing Franz Ferdinand, Bosnia was part of Serb dominated Yugoslavia.

I've already said the time frame wasn't 2.5 years. The rhetoric coming out of Hamas after the attack and outset of the war talked in decades not of months and years.
Click to expand...

You're right for Hamas getting weapons through Egypt but that looks like it won't be much of an option anymore after Israel invaded it and control the crossing. I've not checked the ceasefire agreement so I have no idea if Israel plan on leaving that crossing. Hamas are very isolated now and Iran have completely fucked up now Syria has no air defence Israel can refuel over Syria and bomb Iran if they wish.

Just been reading that Hamas actually made a lot of their rockets from bombs that don't detonate from Israeli attacks.
 
I hope the hostages are freed soon. What terrible thing to have happened for them and their families.
That is the ones who are still alive. Returning the dead will at least allow their families to grieve properly.

Hamas are directly responsible for the following events. They wanted a response and they got one.
It's just they didn't expect such a big response.

I feel sorry for the innocents from both sides. But Hamas was seen as some sort of hero's to some. I hope they now realise that they weren't doing the Palestinians any favours whatsoever. The cowards hid amongst and under they very people they were supposed to be fighting for.

The Islamic terrorist apologists on here seem to think Israel will resume activities once the hostages are freed.
I would imagine they will.
But do you honestly think Hamas will stick to any agreement either....not a fucking chance!
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
You are misrepresenting what I said. If I’d wanted to assert that the whole of the post was unarguable then I would have inserted the word ‘all’ before ‘unarguable’. Also the word ‘this’ rather than ‘that’ at the beginning of that sentence should have indicated I was referring to the previous paragraph not the whole post when deploying the word ‘unarguable’.

What is unarguable is that as things stand (and not in 100 years) it was a catastrophic decision by Hamas.

Do you disagree with that?
Click to expand...
Sounds very much like semantics to me.

How has the insane decision fucked them (Hamas) and their cause for a generation?
 
Blue and true said:
No, I'm not disputing that. How could I? I'm suggesting 7/10 was almost inevitable given how the Palestinians have been treated in the 20th Century and beyond. The only people who have my sympathies are the innocents on both sides who are being led by evil.

In a perfect world, Netanyahu and any offshoots of Hamas and Hezbollah will soon be off to hell and some semblance of peace can be finally reached in the region.
Click to expand...
While I agree much of what you've said there, I'm going to challenge the notion that "7/10 was almost inevitable".

I'm in agreement that the treatment of the Palestinians by Israel, as well as by their fellow Arabs, has been reprehensible since 1948. But that was never an excuse for the sheer level of violence on that day, including rape, murder and the taking of hostages including babies and toddlers, and the old and sick. Instead of looking for the destruction of Israel, if Hamas had sought some sort of co-existence with Israel, things could have been very different. So 7/10 was only "inevitable" in the context of Hamas's aims.

Anyone with a single ounce of humanity releases that category. of hostages pretty quickly. But Hamas are you bunch of violent, antisemitic thugs and only succeeded in showing Israelis what their fate would have been if their country had been overrun in 1948 or any time after.

As I said, they knew there would be a violent escalation and I suspect their thinking involved unleashing a war against Israel on various fronts, including the media front, as a result. But the ultimate result their military capacity has been largely degraded, the more formidable Hezbollah has been taken out of the equation, the Syrian regime which allowed Iran to build up Hezbollah has been eradicated and Iran's malign influence in the region has been drastically reduced. With any luck, and Trump entering the White House, their regime's days are limited.
 
Luddite_Blue said:
So

View attachment 143551

and even the monstrous genocide facilitator Blinken says Hamas has gained as many members as it lost amid Israel’s relentless slaughter of countless Palestinian civilians over the past 15 months.

truthout.org

Blinken Says Israel’s Assault Has Created as Many Hamas Members as It’s Killed

Blinken’s remark comes after Israel has killed at least 45,000 Palestinians in Gaza, per the most conservative count.
truthout.org truthout.org

How is Hamas having as many members as on 7th October and Israel being fully established as a pariah state, Hamas and their cause being fucked for a generation?

And if Hamas and their cause are fucked for a generation, why has Israel accepted the ceasefire and why didn't they complete the ethnic cleansing of and the settlement of North Gaza?

Is Israel that weak that it can't deal with a Hamas that is fucked for a generation without full American support?
Click to expand...

Because their backers have also been severely weakened, they can have new members but if there is no one to arm them it doesn't mean shit. No way Israel will let Hamas be as strong as they once were and I think it's likely they enforce an even more brutal form of an open prison camp in future, unless something dramatic happens to BN and his vile government.
 
Luddite_Blue said:
Sounds very much like semantics to me.

How has the insane decision fucked them (Hamas) and their cause for a generation?
Click to expand...
If you mean by semantics, the way I constructed what I had written then you would be correct.

Their cause being the armed struggle to assert the rights of the Palestinian people against who they see as their oppressors then I’d say it was fucked for a generation, yes. They have been pretty much obliterated as a military force, their infrastructure is completely broken, the source of their weaponry been reduced if not completely cut off, their brothers in arms have been taken apart (which was caused by Hamas’ actions) and they have given Israel grounds for violently suppressing any signs of a recrudescence of violence from Hamas.

So yes, I’d say their particular cause was fucked for at least a generation.

Whether the wider cause of a Palestinian state is fucked is another matter, but they certainly don’t have a monopoly on that.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Yes but some on here will insist it's the power of the Jewish lobby. Because everyone knows us Jews control everything.
Click to expand...
You'll be telling us next Aipac has no bearing on American foreign policy. Or the Adelson $200 million gift to Trump wasn't part of the US Emabassy move to Jerusalem or the Golan Heights. You know, exactly what Trump stated.
 
fulabeer said:
The Islamic terrorist apologists on here seem to think Israel will resume activities once the hostages are freed.
I would imagine they will.
But do you honestly think Hamas will stick to any agreement either....not a fucking chance!
Click to expand...
It's nice you admit that Israel have the same moral compass of religious extremist terrorists.
 
The blue phantom said:
You'll be telling us next Aipac has no bearing on American foreign policy. Or the Adelson $200 million gift to Trump wasn't part of the US Emabassy move to Jerusalem or the Golan Heights. You know, exactly what Trump stated.
Click to expand...
Thank you for being stupid enough to prove my point that some on here think the Jews control the world.
 
The blue phantom said:
It's an easy question to ask. Do you think Aipac have a grip on American Policy. Payments to 90% of Congress and the Senate?
Click to expand...
Well lobbyists lobby obviously and AIPAC is a powerful lobby. But to suggest it is single-handedly dictating for the world's richest and most powerful nation is a bit much.

The National Association of Realtors spent $20m more than AIPAC on political lobbying during the 2024 cycle. Do you reckon this is really "big housing" controlling the US Government?

AIPAC are actually 22nd ranked in contributions and 199th in lobbying money. Why focus specifically on them?
 
Damocles said:
Well lobbyists lobby obviously and AIPAC is a powerful lobby. But to suggest it is single-handedly dictating for the world's richest and most powerful nation is a bit much.

The National Association of Realtors spent $20m more than AIPAC on political lobbying during the 2024 cycle. Do you reckon this is really "big housing" controlling the US Government?
Click to expand...

I'm saying Aipac have a big say in America's foreign policy in the middle east. You've changed it to 'Oh Israel are single handedly dictating all the US foreign policy" no one mentioned they are controlling the world like P.B stated either
 
The blue phantom said:
I'm saying Aipac have a big say in America's foreign policy in the middle east.
Click to expand...

I think they have influence, not a say. The difference there is important. They can attempt to lobby people to their side but plenty of people in the US houses can and do ignore them
 
The blue phantom said:
It's an easy question to answer. Do you think Aipac have a grip on American foreign Policy. Payments to 90% of Congress and the Senate?
Click to expand...
US foreign policy will ultimately be dictated by US interests. Does AIPAC seek to influence US policy on Israel? I think the clue is in the name. Would the US do something that was favourable to Israel but unfavourable to its own interests? I doubt it. I'm not involved in deciding US foreign policy and nor are you so neither of us know the extent of any group's level of influence. But I'd say Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Oil and other groups have more influence.

But the point was that people on here who believe that TikTok is a victim of Jewish influence, to censor coverage of events in Gaza, rather than being part a longstanding issue with China. That shows how warped some minds on here are, including yours.

Do you believe TikTok is a victim of AIPAC?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top