PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Thought as you say evidence is proof of action whereas balance of probability is intention to do an action but no evidence you actually did.
Perhaps I misunderstood. I
I think balance of probabilities means there’s more indicators of one thing than of another.
More so, there need to be facts that suggest one thing is much more likely than the other.
So they must have some evidence to find against city.

I have zero legal background. Logic is one of my strengths, but like I say I don’t have the legal side.
 
Not sure that is true though, mate. PSG are liable to the same UEFA regulations as us. I may be wrong here and I apologise if I am. But, I thought FFP was stricter than PSR.
There was nothing stopping the big Prmier League clubs getting any of those players.
Vitinha was on loan at Wolves and hardly pulled up any trees.
UEFA punishments are very lenient so PSG just keep breaching them and taking the fines.
 
Maybe this doesn't belong in this thread, but it started in PSG thread and now I'm torn between here and the media thread.

Anyway, firstly, well done to PSG. I was saying it as soon as they started to click towards the end of last year, if I remember right. They were simply playing the best football for me, that midfield had me watching with envy, with how fluid and dynamic it looked. You can hardly say they had an easy route either, it was well deserved, on football merit.

That's how everyone else is telling it too, judging from the reactions I've seen on MOTD and ESPN type shows. The reaction to PSG's success is overwhelmingly positive. Everyone is happy for them, the consensus being the club and fans deserve it, after falling short so many times. I've been hearing the phrase 'It's good for football' a lot too. Not heard any mention of sportswashing, state ownership, with a heavy focus on money though. I take it the sports press, is much the same?

I was thinking the same after Newcastle's league cup win. It was all overwhelmingly positive, they didn't all feel the need to mention any of the negatives much, if at all. I couldn't help but notice then and I'm seeing the same now.

I've nothing against PSG or Newcastle but I can't help but compare it to City's coverage, whenever we've had major success. It just makes me resent the UK sports media even more, the reasoning that they've expected us to swallow over the years. The 'it would be the same for any other club in the same boat' reasoning. Remember the treatment City got, immediately after they beat a team 6-0 in a cup final, for example? The articles that were realeased the next day, all having a similar slant.

Those clubs are quite literally state owned, with as bad or worse human rights issues for both states vs the UAE. I suppose PSG is the closest comparison, with the money spent and the length of time. As well as the FFP breaches(to an extent) but that has to be the nail in the coffin for 'nobody cares about City'?

So too, for any denial that the red cartel's media influence, is a big part of why City's coverage has been so negative(it's clearly a factor, as is the anti-arab sentiment). Any praise, always feels like it's given through gritted teeth and they always caveat it with the anti-city bingo phrases, without fail. PSG's CAS victory was in March 2019, around the same time as the football leaks and that really was a technicality, because the deal was simply inflated. From a quick search, their latest breach was in 2022, for overspending on wages. The sanction they got was the largest fine UEFA had handed out, apparently(up to 2023). I had to go and find that information myself, what are the chances that this would be necessary, if it were City in their shoes? edit: I see someone has mentioned PSG have breached 3 years in a row now(is that financial breaches?). Which I can't seem to track down from a simple search. That would definitely not be the case, if it applied to City. They'd have a full timeline plastered everywhere. Is there a time-line for PSG's breaches anywhere, out of interest?

All this goes to show, the red cartel and their media puppets, clearly saw City as a huge threat from early on in the ownership. It didn't help that all 3 red cartel clubs have been hurt directly in close title races, that went to the final day/final weeks, with City coming out ontop. However, I'm really starting to think, United turning to shit and us being their local rivals, going from strength to strength. Is perhaps the biggest reason no other club will ever get as big a target on their backs, as City have had over the years.

I'm not sure how but if and when City beat the charges, proving their innocence etc. I really hope the club find a way to fight this bullshit, it's gone on too long. I'm sure we're all sick of having to deal with all the weaponised-brainwashed muppets, who seem to think City and anyone conntected to City are fair game for anything.
 
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Maybe this doesn't belong in this thread, but it started in PSG thread and now I'm torn between here and the media thread.

Anyway, firstly, well done to PSG. I was saying it as soon as they started to click towards the end of last year, if I remember right. They were simply playing the best football for me, that midfield had me watching with envy, with how fluid and dynamic it looked. You can hardly say they had an easy route either, it was well deserved, on football merit.

That's how everyone else is telling it too, judging from the reactions I've seen on MOTD and ESPN type shows. The reaction to PSG's success is overwhelmingly positive. Everyone is happy for them, the consensus being the club and fans deserve it, after falling short so many times. Not heard any mention of sportswashing, state ownership, with a heavy focus on money though. I take it the sports press is much the same?

I was thinking the same after Newcastle's league cup win. It was all overwhelmingly positive, they didn't all feel the need to mention any of the negatives much, if at all. I couldn't help but notice then and I'm seeing the same now.

I've nothing against PSG or Newcastle but I can't help but compare it to how City's coverage, whenever we've had major success. It just makes me resent the UK sports media even more, the reasoning that they've expected us to swallow over the years. The 'it would be the same for any other club in the same boat' reasoning. Remember the treatment City got, immediately after they beat a team 6-0 in a cup final, for example? The articles that were realeased the next day, all having a similar slant.

Those clubs are quite literally state owned, with as bad or worse human rights issues for both states vs the UAE. I suppose PSG is the closest comparison, with the money spent and the length of time. As well as the FFP breaches(to an extent) but that has to be the nail in the coffin for 'nobody cares about City'?

So too, for any denial that the red cartel's media influence, is a big part of why City's coverage has been so negative(it's clearly a factor, as is the anti-arab sentiment). Any praise, always feels like it's given through gritted teeth and they always caveat it with the anti-city bingo phrases, without fail. Their CAS victory was in March 2019, around the same times as the football leaks and that really was a technicality, because the deal was simply inflated. From a quick search, their latest breach was in 2022 for overspending on wages. The sanction they got was the largest fine UEFA have handed out, apparently. I had to go and find that information myself, what are the chances that this would be necessary, if it were City in their shoes?

All this goes to show, the red cartel and their media puppets, clearly saw City as a huge threat from early on in the ownership. It didn't help that all 3 red cartel clubs have been hurt directly in close title races, that went to the final day/final weeks, with City coming out ontop. However, I'm really starting to think, United turning to shit and us being their local rivals going from stregth to strength, is perhaps the biggest reason no other club will ever get as big a target on their backs, as City have had over the years.

I'm not sure how but if and when City beat the charges, proving their innocence etc. I really hope the club find a way to fight this bullshit, it's gone on too long. I'm sure we're all sick of having to deal with all the weaponised-brainwashed muppets, who seem to think City and anyone conntected to City are fair game for anything.
This was the article on the morning before our UCL Final in Istanbul
 

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I don't believe the club, or anyone else outside the panel, knows the outcome.

I do believe that, if the PL win, rival clubs will do everything they can to get us wiped off the face of football.

But, if we win, I don't believe it serves our long-term interest to inflict as much damage on the PL as we could, if we chose to. The alternative to the PL is the ESL and, although we already, virtually, have that, this version is better than the version united, liverpool and arsenal (and other clubs around Europe) wanted. We destroy the PL, we give the power back to the people we least want to give it to.

My point being, that, once the result is known, I think that, if we have won, there will be some collaboration between the club and the PL over timing and optics. If they have won, it will get nasty.
I dont think there will be any winners from this. Damage incurred both sides yet both will claim some form of hollow victory. Its all been a smear campaign
 
Not sure that is true though, mate. PSG are liable to the same UEFA regulations as us. I may be wrong here and I apologise if I am. But, I thought FFP was stricter than PSR.
There was nothing stopping the big Prmier League clubs getting any of those players.
Vitinha was on loan at Wolves and hardly pulled up any trees.

They are, this year is PSG’s third year breaking the rules; they are again negotiating a deal where they'll pay a few million and carry on spending! After we got cleared, they now have soft shite, a few million fines for breaking spending rules! Any team who break the rules on the 3rd time should be banned from the champs league because what's the point if it's just a fine every time..
 
They are, this year is PSG’s third year breaking the rules; they are again negotiating a deal where they'll pay a few million and carry on spending! After we got cleared, they now have soft shite, a few million fines for breaking spending rules! Any team who break the rules on the 3rd time should be banned from the champs league because what's the point if it's just a fine every time..
Barca overspent UEFA PSR by €85m and got a €500k fine. Move along nothing to see.
 
Is that up to fifa to impose a transfer ban not in the premier leagues remit ..
And they wouldn’t do that to this summer’s FIFA CWC Winners would they, surely not? ;-)

Mate I’m personally pretty relaxed about this, I just posted as a devil’s advocate to an earlier post really. I’m sure you’re correct in what you say, as I haven’t the foggiest over who would impose such a sanction anyway.
 
This was the article on the morning before our UCL Final in Istanbul

He says he remembers when football was a competition. Well I'm 64 and I don't remember it being a competition. Firstly dippers winning everything year in year out. Than the rags winning year in year out with the occasional arsenal side.
In Europe it was RM winning for the 50th time.
Always clubs that were well supported by their owners.
To be successful you need investment or like Leicester luck and plenty of it

I can remember rags winning the by Christmas. How many times have City won the league on the last day ? 5 times ? But according to this knobhead that's not competition lol
 
He says he remembers when football was a competition. Well I'm 64 and I don't remember it being a competition. Firstly dippers winning everything year in year out. Than the rags winning year in year out with the occasional arsenal side.
In Europe it was RM winning for the 50th time.
Always clubs that were well supported by their owners.
To be successful you need investment or like Leicester luck and plenty of it

I can remember rags winning the by Christmas. How many times have City won the league on the last day ? 5 times ? But according to this knobhead that's not competition lol
Indeed. They are happy that three clubs have won the league 53 times between them. What they object to are interlopers affecting their cash-cows in red.
The idea of halcyon days of ultra-competition are nonsensical, as you say.
 
Indeed. They are happy that three clubs have won the league 53 times between them. What they object to are interlopers affecting their cash-cows in red.
The idea of halcyon days of ultra-competition are nonsensical, as you say.
They aren’t a myth but they are ancient history and the trend has definitely been against titles being shared around.

Seven different clubs won the title in the sixties, six in the seventies, four in the eighties and nineties, three in the noughties, but back up to five in the 2010s. So the trend has been towards a decreasing number of title winners each decade - until we started winning it!
 
What did Labour choose a Labour donor if they didn’t want the appointment to appear political? I say this as a life long Labour voter
And someone who wasn't even on the 3-man shortlist. Politicians are just taking the piss these days and don't even care if it's obvious.
 

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