Keir Starmer

Chippy_boy said:
Funny how all the pundits said he was gone over that. Then they said they are only keeping him so he can own the local election debacle and then they can dump him. And now here we are and he's still here. He's been a dead man walking for about a year... And he's still here.
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Never mind you've still got Badenoch......................
 
We've got Guardiola said:
Less than 15% of the country voted for Labour in 2024. They won a majority in terms of FPTP but they didn't win anything in terms of votes, it's definitely not an ironclad mandate. They've now just lost a significant number of councils which just reflects where this is going to go.

Corbyn got 3m more votes in 2017 but he won 150 less seats. In 2024 Reform got nearly half as many votes as Labour and they got 5 seats versus Labour's 411, that's insane.

What I'm trying to say is I think Starmer and Labour could show their arses in Parliament or promise to make everybody a millionaire and the poll ratings still wouldn't really change now or ever. The amount of people who will vote for them was few and now it's likely to be even fewer and that's not a mandate.
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Agreed about the huge parliamentary mandate not being backed up by any popular mandate. That was always going to be tricky in terms of being popular.

But that overlooks a key issue. Governments don't have to be popular to be successful. Powerful leaders set out a vision, tell the country and political their opponents (their own or the opposition's) how it is and that if they don't like it they can kick us out in 5 years but until then STFU.

Starmer has had no reason to behave like he had a majority of 10 all the time. He had the power from day 1 to lay out his stall and stick to it. Repeatedly doing stupid things and repeatedly u-turning has been his undoing. And the persistent lying.
 
7th Prime Minister change in 10 years if he goes. This country is becoming ungovernable since Brexit and that isn’t going to change anytime soon based on the accelerating fragmentation of politics and parties. It really doesn’t matter who replaces him. Economic issues, our fractured relationship with allies and other geopolitical crisis will ensure we burn through one every eighteen months for the foreseeable future.

Bloody hell the Who got it right
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
 
Lou Antony Morris said:
Sky News has just reported some details of what went on at the Cabinet meeting today. Apparently, Starmer told the Cabinet that no one has followed the correct process for replacing him, so he was not even going to discuss it at the meeting. If anyone in Cabinet wanted to discuss it, he would have a one-on-one meeting with them. But when the meeting closed and he was asked for a one-on-one meeting, he refused to have it.
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I hope someone told him what the process is, it’s been a bit of a weak point of his.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Agreed about the huge parliamentary mandate not being backed up by any popular mandate. That was always going to be tricky in terms of being popular.

But that overlooks a key issue. Governments don't have to be popular to be successful. Powerful leaders set out a vision, tell the country and political their opponents (their own or the opposition's) how it is and that if they don't like it they can kick us out in 5 years but until then STFU.

Starmer has had no reason to behave like he had a majority of 10 all the time. He had the power from day 1 to lay out his stall and stick to it. Repeatedly doing stupid things and repeatedly u-turning has been his undoing. And the persistent lying.
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On holiday, you say and yet you are never off this forum ?

Where did you go Gaza ?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Agreed about the huge parliamentary mandate not being backed up by any popular mandate. That was always going to be tricky in terms of being popular.

But that overlooks a key issue. Governments don't have to be popular to be successful. Powerful leaders set out a vision, tell the country and political their opponents (their own or the opposition's) how it is and that if they don't like it they can kick us out in 5 years but until then STFU.

Starmer has had no reason to behave like he had a majority of 10 all the time. He had the power from day 1 to lay out his stall and stick to it. Repeatedly doing stupid things and repeatedly u-turning has been his undoing. And the persistent lying.
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Arguably Labour could say that they've been restrained by what the last government left and so have been unable to really do much which is actually partially true. With Starmer there were many comparisons to the likes of Blair but you have to remember that Blair didn't start fixing the country with his ankles tied first. GDP-debt was half then compared to now.

This however paints a far more grim picture then we're prepared to admit because it actually means that there is no need for a government or even an election. Really as a centrist the only choice is to grumble and wait to die, presumably after a 12hr wait in A&E first.

Another poster mentioned stupidity but actually the current government and its approach has been wholly sensible to the point that it has exposed this grimness and encouraged it. The rejection of this reality in favour of fantasy is the problem simply because just like with Brexit there are cold hard truths that aren't readily fixed by populist ideas.
 
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Norbert D said:
Agree with pretty much everything you say, much as I have complete disdain for Reform and what it pretends to stand for, spoiler alert, it doesn’t give a shit about the UK or poor whites or bringing back manufacturing jobs etc it’s yet another populist power grab by slippery chancers, BUT, the fact they got five seats for five million votes is scandalous.

FPTP has had its day and needs replacing.
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