Cunning and sly?
We have bid for a player in the same way any club has!
For cunning and sly see Liverpool and Milner!
Sterling told the gaffer to his face he doesn't want to play for him. Stevie G should do his research. Obviously jealous because Raheem has the balls to get out of that mickey mouse club when Stevie didn't until he was finished.
I agree about Milner but I think it would be naive to assume that City haven't been pulling a few strings with Ward and Sterling.
Yeh and then in the next breath said that he was not fully up to date with what's gone on, so why comment in the first place yah plonka. Sky are loving this, is there anyone else connected with the pool who can comment!!
There only just beginning has big nose Bn out yetYeh and then in the next breath said that he was not fully up to date with what's gone on, so why comment in the first place yah plonka. Sky are loving this, is there anyone else connected with the pool who can comment!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^This potential transfer has a lot at stake and is a symbol of something much bigger than one young lad being advised this way or that.
It is I feel the critical moment within late modernity whereby Liverpool finally come to terms with both how the state of modern football applies to them and how they are also as much a product of it as everyone else even though they have a rich history of protest and militancy which goes beyond football's neoliberalism which they romanticise and cherish, but also a true realisation that the accelerated pace of neoliberal change is something which they can no longer regulate with nostalgic references to Shankly, socialism, and the topophilia of the Kop and collective identity inherent within YNWA.
In other words - the idea that such a traditional football club in English football cannot secure the loyalty and commitment of their best young player in decades and instead potentially lose him to a club like us or Chelsea is a difficult reality to accept and it is no surprise that they have employed a particular PR strategy to help slow the painful process down - put a large plaster on a wound to thus create a hegemony which Liverpool fans have bought - turn their anger towards Sterling as opposed to looking at the broader conditions out of which this particular issue has emerged and Liverpool's standing as a football club and proposition in 2015.
I do not say this with any arrogance or patronisation - I think we should all be humble about our own development in the past decade but this ultimately is what this transfer symbolises. How it was orchestrated specifically whether by his agent, Liverpool or even City ultimately doesn't matter. Personally, I think the player has been a little naive but I have no doubt he would be a huge success at City and I think most Liverpool fans sadly fear the truth in that. For us, it is a huge moment. We are signing the best young talent in English football and we appear to be be his only destination which is a remarkable transition from where we used to be as a football club.
I do think we have a responsibility to act with class and to finalise this deal properly. Which is why id personally like to see us just go in with the final offer now of 45 million (and sort out the small details of future add ons etc). Whether that is us paying slightly over our valuation or allowing Liverpool fans hold on to some perceived victory ultimately again does not matter. I understand this is business and about getting value for money - but we aren't talking of a 20-30 million difference here and some of that will be recouped through marketing strategies and global merchandise. Lets conclude this deal properly and professionally now with class and allow Sterling to grow up but most importantly do what he should be doing - which is playing football.
City will have made a huge signing and Liverpool can draw a line under this and allow the 45 - 50 million to appease supporters as they slowly come to terms with modern football's late modern project.
In other words, this transfer is making the most deluded bunch of football fans in the country wake up to the reality of where they stand in the modern day pecking order and how they are now perceived by young talented players? Fuck em.This potential transfer has a lot at stake and is a symbol of something much bigger than one young lad being advised this way or that.
It is I feel the critical moment within late modernity whereby Liverpool finally come to terms with both how the state of modern football applies to them and how they are also as much a product of it as everyone else even though they have a rich history of protest and militancy which goes beyond football's neoliberalism which they romanticise and cherish, but also a true realisation that the accelerated pace of neoliberal change is something which they can no longer regulate with nostalgic references to Shankly, socialism, and the topophilia of the Kop and collective identity inherent within YNWA.
In other words - the idea that such a traditional football club in English football cannot secure the loyalty and commitment of their best young player in decades and instead potentially lose him to a club like us or Chelsea is a difficult reality to accept and it is no surprise that they have employed a particular PR strategy to help slow the painful process down - put a large plaster on a wound to thus create a hegemony which Liverpool fans have bought - turn their anger towards Sterling as opposed to looking at the broader conditions out of which this particular issue has emerged and Liverpool's standing as a football club and proposition in 2015.
I do not say this with any arrogance or patronisation - I think we should all be humble about our own development in the past decade but this ultimately is what this transfer symbolises. How it was orchestrated specifically whether by his agent, Liverpool or even City ultimately doesn't matter. Personally, I think the player has been a little naive but I have no doubt he would be a huge success at City and I think most Liverpool fans sadly fear the truth in that. For us, it is a huge moment. We are signing the best young talent in English football and we appear to be be his only destination which is a remarkable transition from where we used to be as a football club.
I do think we have a responsibility to act with class and to finalise this deal properly. Which is why id personally like to see us just go in with the final offer now of 45 million (and sort out the small details of future add ons etc). Whether that is us paying slightly over our valuation or allowing Liverpool fans hold on to some perceived victory ultimately again does not matter. I understand this is business and about getting value for money - but we aren't talking of a 20-30 million difference here and some of that will be recouped through marketing strategies and global merchandise. Lets conclude this deal properly and professionally now with class and allow Sterling to grow up but most importantly do what he should be doing - which is playing football.
City will have made a huge signing and Liverpool can draw a line under this and allow the 45 - 50 million to appease supporters as they slowly come to terms with modern football's late modern project.
McManaman didn't play for City, he just stood and pointed (and collected his dosh)Perhaps Stevie McManaman if we're going on former City Liverpool players!
The press would totally ignore the counter feedback even if it existed......... it doesn't fit their agenda
In other words, this transfer is making the most deluded bunch of football fans in the country wake up to the reality of where they stand in the modern day pecking order and how they are now perceived by young talented players? Fuck em.
Of course they have.
All clubs do it including Liverpool as shown by their signings of Lallana and Lovren and the way those players behaved to force the moves through.
That's fine and dandy though yet we are suddenly out of order?
We've had a few of them ;) Now for fucks sake let's get this deal doneMcManaman didn't play for City, he just stood and pointed (and collected his dosh)
Agree with most of that mate, apart from the 'responsibility to act with class and dignity and pay 45m+ quickly' . We owe NOTHING to Liverpool, and our mgt team has a responsibility to HHS Mansour to not just pay extra £ms because it would seem the classy thing to do. Liverpool's failures over the last 20+ years have brought them to a state where they cant hold on to their best players - it's not our job to atone for that. LFC's PR approach has been basement level and borderline incitement - they have hung the kid out to dry for a few extra £s - f*ck em I say.This potential transfer has a lot at stake and is a symbol of something much bigger than one young lad being advised this way or that.
It is I feel the critical moment within late modernity whereby Liverpool finally come to terms with both how the state of modern football applies to them and how they are also as much a product of it as everyone else even though they have a rich history of protest and militancy which goes beyond football's neoliberalism which they romanticise and cherish, but also a true realisation that the accelerated pace of neoliberal change is something which they can no longer regulate with nostalgic references to Shankly, socialism, and the topophilia of the Kop and collective identity inherent within YNWA.
In other words - the idea that such a traditional football club in English football cannot secure the loyalty and commitment of their best young player in decades and instead potentially lose him to a club like us or Chelsea is a difficult reality to accept and it is no surprise that they have employed a particular PR strategy to help slow the painful process down - put a large plaster on a wound to thus create a hegemony which Liverpool fans have bought - turn their anger towards Sterling as opposed to looking at the broader conditions out of which this particular issue has emerged and Liverpool's standing as a football club and proposition in 2015.
I do not say this with any arrogance or patronisation - I think we should all be humble about our own development in the past decade but this ultimately is what this transfer symbolises. How it was orchestrated specifically whether by his agent, Liverpool or even City ultimately doesn't matter. Personally, I think the player has been a little naive but I have no doubt he would be a huge success at City and I think most Liverpool fans sadly fear the truth in that. For us, it is a huge moment. We are signing the best young talent in English football and we appear to be be his only destination which is a remarkable transition from where we used to be as a football club.
I do think we have a responsibility to act with class and to finalise this deal properly. Which is why id personally like to see us just go in with the final offer now of 45 million (and sort out the small details of future add ons etc). Whether that is us paying slightly over our valuation or allowing Liverpool fans hold on to some perceived victory ultimately again does not matter. I understand this is business and about getting value for money - but we aren't talking of a 20-30 million difference here and some of that will be recouped through marketing strategies and global merchandise. Lets conclude this deal properly and professionally now with class and allow Sterling to grow up but most importantly do what he should be doing - which is playing football.
City will have made a huge signing and Liverpool can draw a line under this and allow the 45 - 50 million to appease supporters as they slowly come to terms with modern football's late modern project.
McManaman didn't play for City, he just stood and pointed (and collected his dosh)
Tbh, he's being a naughty boy and should be doing what his employer....and his contract....require. None of that means he can't move, if the clubs and the player come to terms, but his behavior is making this entire potential deal start to stink a bit. And, while I'm at it, he's not looking much like the kind of PERSON I fancy much at City!
All of that said, it really pisses me off when someone pushes a player into the first team, act like he is the second coming, and then say things like "we've made him an excellent offer for a lad his age!" WTF does that even mean? Does it mean "he's our second best player, and possibly our best player some weeks, but because he is only 20, we believe he deserves about 50% less than our top earners who are older. After all, he's just too young to give a top contract to, isn't he?"
Fuck that! We hear all the time.."if he's good enough he's old enough," so "if he's old enough," then pay him what he deserves! What's with the ageism?
Personally, I think anything in excess of about $20-25M smacks of city being bent over by a petulant Liverpool back room not wanting to sell him, and that's THEIR right. Our RIGHT is to tell them to fuck off and get real, which is exactly what I would do. They can have $25M and some add-ons if we win silverware and if he gets X England caps, etc... Other than that, I'd let him, and Liverpool, swing in the wind while they fight about the whole debacle!