Media bias against City

[Don Karleone]

Well you need to post this in another thead. This is the media/agenda thread and is a discussion about possible/perceived bias against the club.

Everybody, I am sure, is in agreement we want competentreferees who never make a mistake. Sadlythis will never happen. Some fans think those decisions are skewed against City and rather than it be incompetence it is more a deliberate policy to penalise us. That is what we are exploring.

Can you give me one good reason why the penalty at Everton was not given?

 

[blueinsa]

How come its us that the rulers of the PL are trying to stop, when chelsea came along and upset the applecart stopping the rags domination i never read anything abt corruption then, is it just manchester city they dislike?

Chelsea were fortunate in that they had been knocking on the door prior to Roman taking over and pumping in his cash but i remember they too got nothing but stick from the media and the rest of football due to their fortune, as we have. Fast forward to the PL of today and the £Billions involved as well as the decline of the one time giant that is Liverpool and the emergence of the CL and the money that brings in, the demand for a top 4 spot has never been greater and the emergence of us as a virtually guaranteed top 4 spot meaning one of the old guard misses out and focused a few minds shall we say.

Gill at the rags along with Liverpool, Arsenal and even Chelsea amongst others where key in demanding FFP, a tool designed with stopping us as its sole aim and the rest of Europe joined in as we threatened the CL and the dominance of certain teams in the transfer market.

I will say it again, where there is money, there are folk willing to be corrupt.

For now it is us they all dislike but make no mistake, any other team fortunate to gain an owner like us would eually be at the end of their scorn and plans to stop them.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I would love to see this 'dossier' but this site is remarkable if any of its views are true http://footballisfixed.blogspot.co.uk/

He has a book coming out next year and that's why he's hiding a load of stuff with ###.
He runs an organisation (http://www.matchfixinganalytics.org) that investigates corruption for clients - including various big-name bookmakers (mostly far east bookmakers - as that is where most dodgy bets are placed) and willingly shares it's findings with the police and governing bodies when asked...
I point you in the direction of: http://www.matchfixinganalytics.org/case-study-6/
As to what happened back in 2011/12...

Incidentally, he points out a post from Football Leaks that shows a receipt for €50m to an 3rd party organisation for Mangala - he then subsequently assumes that Mangala cost City €50m - so please take alot of what he posts with a pinch of salt.

 

[franksinatra]

Can you give me one good reason why the penalty at Everton was not given?

No I thought it was a penalty. I cannot give you a reason for many decisions I see on match of the day either.

 

[Sigh]

He has a book coming out next year and that's why he's hiding a load of stuff with ###.
He runs an organisation (http://www.matchfixinganalytics.org) that investigates corruption for clients - including various big-name bookmakers and willingly shares it's findings with the police and governing bodies...
I point you in the direction of: http://www.matchfixinganalytics.org/case-study-6/
As to what happened back in 2011/12...

I have been reading his material for a long time. Worth it. Don't be distracted by shiny objects and cut-outs and throw-aways. Football in England is not spotless.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I have been reading his material for a long time. Worth it. Don't be distracted by shiny objects and cut-outs and throw-aways. Football in England is not spotless.

I've been looking at his stuff since 2010 and English football isn't anywhere near spotless but it's not (quite) as bad as he makes out. He sees corruption everywhere when quite often it is just incompetence.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I am still staggered as to how Clattenburg survived suspension in 2008 however, 2 and a half years prior to the MOB gate affair.

 

[petrusha]

While we're on Football Is Fixed, does anyone know why he says the Arsenal analytics operation is far more professional than ours?

 

[franksinatra]

He has a book coming out next year and that's why he's hiding a load of stuff with ###.
He runs an organisation (http://www.matchfixinganalytics.org) that investigates corruption for clients - including various big-name bookmakers (mostly far east bookmakers - as that is where most dodgy bets are placed) and willingly shares it's findings with the police and governing bodies when asked...
I point you in the direction of: http://www.matchfixinganalytics.org/case-study-6/
As to what happened back in 2011/12...

Incidentally, he points out a post from Football Leaks that shows a receipt for €50m to an 3rd party organisation for Mangala - he then subsequently assumes that Mangala cost City €50m - so please take alot of what he posts with a pinch of salt.

You are right mate. I am going to believe the ref bias thing is rubbish but believe we paid 50 million for Mangala if we can pick and choose :-)

 

[franksinatra]

While we're on Football Is Fixed, does anyone know why he says the Arsenal analytics operation is far more professional than ours?

Its obvious blatant bias towards the top four cartel. Even those investigating bias and corruption are biased against us. I would report it to the media, Football association, Sky, Bbc, Niall Quinn, John Motson, referees association but they are all in on it.

 

[The blue phantom]

I am still staggered as to how Clattenburg survived suspension in 2008 however, 2 and a half years prior to the MOB gate affair.

I would still have him reffing our games than any other ref.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

So you agree that the things i have said exist probably do yet im straying into the realms of fantasy?

As for the stonewall penalty, no doubt, stonewall but its ever so easy for them to wave away our appeals for stonewall penalties whilst merrily blowing the whistle at every opportunity for theirs and thats the point i make.

Players like Kun and Sterling could get fucking shot by a sniper in the box right now and it would be waved away with some fucking idiot like Webb or media clown pundit saying not enough contact.

The PL is a huge business, £Billions of pounds and its only that because of a huge global fanbase that is predominately made up of rags, scouse, Arse and chav fans. Real competition and years of those sides winning nothing would hurt the brand, Scudamore said as much and to think a business man would do what was needed to protect the brand and the income streams is not so much of a stretch of the imagination.

PB has also said many a times that several high profile refs have suddenly had to retire because of info we as a club had on them and they were refs that we had suffered under.

Said it before, the richest league in the world should have the best refs and linesmen/women and for me, they should be brought in from around the world. No more Mr Altrincham or Bolton fan managing the rags to dodgy wins or denying us clear goals and penalties and that applies to every team in this league.

lets have a fair contest, refereed by the very best instead of the hand picked next big thing Mr Riley wants to push through despite them being clearly not up to the job.

I'm conceding that facility for corruption exists, not that it is actively taking place.

And as for referees 'merrily blowing the whistle at every opportunity for theirs', we've had 5 awarded to us this season in all competitions, as opposed to only one against (at Monchengladbach), as far as I can recall.

Some of the decisions against us have been incredible (Kun last season at Southampton, Navas at Everton last week), but I don't doubt that most clubs could point to similar instances, and clearly the referees who awarded us injury time penalties against Norwich and Monchengladbach, along with the lino who wrongly ruled out a second goal for Newcastle, were not on board with the instruction to nobble us.

I would concur with the poster who referenced the number of game changing penalties we get compared to the rags, the dippers et al, but that would require a degree of time and effort to investigate that I am unwilling to invest. A lot of our penalties do seem to come when we're already in front, whereas certainly Liverpool last season seemed to be awarded game savers with monotonous regularity. Like I say, I'd have to check that though.

Can you enlighten me as to who the refs who've had to suddenly retire cos of what we've 'had on them', are, cos bar the well documented Peter Walton, I'm not aware of any?

 

[WRicko]

Can you enlighten me as to who the refs who've had to suddenly retire cos of what we've 'had on them', are, cos bar the well documented Peter Walton, I'm not aware of any?[/QUOTE]

Can you tell me about Peter Walton as I know nothing about him and whatever you are referring to

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Again you are probably right with regards the Navas penalty but every club could point to similar instances where penalties were not given..

It does not make it right or fair but it does not make it bias either.

You're right.
One instance proves nothing.

I don't think the Leicester one was a complete howler, the ball got knocked sideways by something, and there wasn't a lot it could be. I suspect he guessed because he's Madley.

 

[BlueAnorak]

While we're on Football Is Fixed, does anyone know why he says the Arsenal analytics operation is far more professional than ours?

Well as SAP is all about customer lock in and raking in cash - NOT providing a good service.
As we (City) use SAP as our analytics platform, we're off to a bad start from the off.

Alternatively he had something to do with setting the Arsenal system up. He does like blowing his own trombone.

 

[Blue Mooner]

Well you did promise to put these pen stats in 'context' and I was even hoping you may throw a bit of this 'compelling evidence' into the mix also.

So far you have failed in your objective. Stop scratching your head and put some meat on the bones of your argument.

If you do not have this information, which highlights we only receive penalties when irrelevant incomparison to our rivals, let the stats stand that we receive the most (alongside Chelse) and concede the fewest.

Incidentally if you do highlight our pens are given when the penalty is irrelevant are you suggesting the referees are doing this on purpose???

Even far you this is a bit far-fetched.

I'm conceding that facility for corruption exists, not that it is actively taking place.

And as for referees 'merrily blowing the whistle at every opportunity for theirs', we've had 5 awarded to us this season in all competitions, as opposed to only one against (at Monchengladbach), as far as I can recall.

Some of the decisions against us have been incredible (Kun last season at Southampton, Navas at Everton last week), but I don't doubt that most clubs could point to similar instances, and clearly the referees who awarded us injury time penalties against Norwich and Monchengladbach, along with the lino who wrongly ruled out a second goal for Newcastle, were not on board with the instruction to nobble us.

I would concur with the poster who referenced the number of game changing penalties we get compared to the rags, the dippers et al, but that would require a degree of time and effort to investigate that I am unwilling to invest. A lot of our penalties do seem to come when we're already in front, whereas certainly Liverpool last season seemed to be awarded game savers with monotonous regularity. Like I say, I'd have to check that though.

Can you enlighten me as to who the refs who've had to suddenly retire cos of what we've 'had on them', are, cos bar the well documented Peter Walton, I'm not aware of any?

It's very true the limited game changing penalties we get. I looked into this last year but didn't keep the stuff unfortunately it's a fairly time consuming and laborious exercise but I will post asap. It is not such a leap of faith to believe that things are gerrymandered to favour the long standing elites imo. In fact you only need to look at that ridiculous Spurs offside to think all is not what it should be. That was one decision that was soo wrong and at such a crucial point in a game we had been dominating to make you think somethings not right. Take the rags penalty, complete consensus that it was a stonewall, really!? I saw a defender tap Memphis on the shin and him launch himself in the air.. I would argue there was more contact in most of the penalties we haven't been awarded and even in the game where Sterling got booked, we get 'that wasn't enough to take him down' whereas the general consensus among pundits is simply the idea of 'contact' but not where we're concerned. In today's football Memphis probably was a penalty as I would argue all of the one's we haven't been awarded were.

I even go so far as, the league schedule, the way television games are scheduled. It's taken years for the corruption in fifa to come to light and Lance Armstrong cheated his way to numerous tour de France victories despite cheating. We should remain vigilant and call this sort of sh#t out and not be cowed by those who simply believe everything is all fair and even.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

This thread is about media bias and could there have been any better evidence than the rags game against Sheffield United as to the different standards the media apply to us and them?

Swathes of empty seats at the swamp and a huge disparity between the costs of the two squads. Yet did anyone hear that mentioned by the BBC? They seem to have withheld the true attendance figure yet has any outlet made a fuss about that? Not only have they not, they've meekly made up figures for their match reports. One had 70,000, two others had different attendances over 73,000. These were clearly fabricated as there was a whole tier shut so at bet they couldn't have sold more than 50,000 tickets tops. No doubt if we failed to release an attendance figure to cover up a poor attendance, there would be questions in Parliament and journalists demanding a new law to force clubs to reveal the true attendance.

 

[jrb]

According to Sky Sports News this Evening, Paul Pogba, *the ex-Manchester United Player*, made the 2015 FIFA Pro XI.

And here's me thinking he's currently a Juventus player, first and foremost?

 

[jrb]

This thread is about media bias and could there have been any better evidence than the rags game against Sheffield United as to the different standards the media apply to us and them?

Swathes of empty seats at the swamp and a huge disparity between the costs of the two squads. Yet did anyone hear that mentioned by the BBC? They seem to have withheld the true attendance figure yet has any outlet made a fuss about that? Not only have they not, they've meekly made up figures for their match reports. One had 70,000, two others had different attendances over 73,000. These were clearly fabricated as there was a whole tier shut so at bet they couldn't have sold more than 50,000 tickets tops. No doubt if we failed to release an attendance figure to cover up a poor attendance, there would be questions in Parliament and journalists demanding a new law to force clubs to reveal the true attendance.

It's time to contact GMP again. ;-)

 

[laserblue]

It's time to contact GMP again. ;-)

A mate of mine did exactly that last year and was told the GMP don't keep their own figures despite releasing such figures only two years earlier. Hmm.