EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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CityStu said:
You didn't twist numbers but you misrepresented the poll by not stating the number of non-responders. By the nature of responding, the economists who did reply could be considered biased because they have strong feelings one way or the other. Those with no strong feelings (like an undecided voter) simply wouldn't have replied. That sample bias needs to be stated for the result to be taken seriously.

It's like polling car owners to find out their income and only asking (or getting responses from) those with Astons, Ferraris and Lambos, then coming to the conclusion that car owners are millionaires.
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Thanks for your reply....so we dont listen to the 600 because a large amount didnt make the effort to reply? We dont know what the reasons why some didnt answer the poll...
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Thanks for your reply....so we dont listen to the 600 because a large amount didnt make the effort to reply? We dont know what the reasons why some didnt answer the poll...
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You're welcome to listen to them, but if you're presenting those figures to others, you should always do so with the caveat that the response rate was very low so that they have all of the available information to drive their decision.

My view is that the response rate is too low to take any real stock in the conclusions derived. You're welcome to disagree.
 
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CityStu said:
You're welcome to listen to them, but if you're presenting those figures to others, you should always do so with the caveat that the response rate was very low so that they have all of the available information to drive their decision.

My view is that the response rate is too low to take any real stock in the conclusions derived. You're welcome to disagree.
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Thanks again mate...we'll have to disagree on this but I appreciate you having an intelligent debate with me on this subject....
 
waspish said:
Am I right in saying that if its a exit vote it could take up to 2 years and has to go to the European courts and they have to agree with it?
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In article 50 of the Lisbon treaty it says that if a country wishes to exit the EU they are entitled to negotiate a new trade deal and there will be a 2 year negotiation period to reach that deal:

50.3 "The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."
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Once a deal is agreed every country in the EU will be asked ratify the agreement before it becomes valid. Some countries, such as Holland, may have to have their own referendum to ratify the agreement, as they did with the EU-Ukraine deal. A qualified majority will be required for the agreement to be accepted
238 (b) "The qualified majority shall be defined as at least 72% of the members of the Council representing Member States comprising at least 65% of the population of these States."
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I'm not sure what would happen if the required majority was not reached.

Edit: It would take 2 big countries to vote no for that to be the case, in reality.
 
Genuine question all....why do we believe we can fix immigration if we leave the EU when over 50% of the people that come into the country are from "outside" EU??
 
blueish swede said:
But don't a lot of Brexiters want to remain in the EEA anyway, the Norway option? The problem with an out vote is that no one has defined what "out" is.
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Brexit cannot say what you're asking them to. They're not a political party. All Brexit can do is change the political landscape in which we are finding ourselves. Beyond that it is a political decision as to what out will be.
 
YPhrunts said:
This post needs another airing as it is spot on. The only way we could influence events in Brussels is to be completely a part of it and we are never going to be that. We have very little influence and the idea of reforming the cabal is so off kilter that it's just laughable.
We are going to be bossed. Some people love being bossed about. Sad.
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fuck me, what do you think is gonna happen if Britain leaves? Will we all suddenly get to pick and choose what rules we like and not bother with them if we don't agree. Will the government suddenly break the habits of a lifetime and give the people what they want? Will they fuck. You will get shit on by the powers that be even more than you are now.
Tell me one example of the influence you assert over any laws that have been made in this country in the last 50 years.
 
When the Irish voted against ratifying the Lisbon treaty thus potentially blocking it coming into effect,wheels were immediately put in motion to ensure they voted again with a few sweeteners thrown in.
If we vote to leave expect a similar scenario to unfold as the powers that be in Europe will realise the catastrophic implications for the whole European project.
Many remain campaigners don't seem to realise that when they say they want to stay in a reformed EU,voting to leave might well get them many of the concessions that Cameron failed to return with after his last feeble attempt at negotiation.
 
TRUE BLUE NO1 said:
Genuine question all....why do we believe we can fix immigration if we leave the EU when over 50% of the people that come into the country are from "outside" EU??
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Because that is a border control issue that is controlled by the UK government which we can vote on. If we want a year of no immigration, as an example, it is possible to not allow any non-EU people in. We cannot do that with EU citizens.

Immigrants from outside the EU also have to have a reason for being here in the main. They have to be a student or have a job lined up and even then there are additional criteria. Again, that isn't the case with the EU, in which there is freedom of movement for all.

I'd also question your figures - I believe net immigration is 330k with 180k of that (55% - over half) being from the EU. That's using the ONS figures which have been heavily disputed in the referendum run-up with far more EU nationals being given NI numbers than the official immigration figures suggest.
 
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