EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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inbetween said:
I'm not arguing against voting specifically, if people chose not to vote that is their problem but I am arguing that we have voted in a government on the premise of merely holding a referendum, any implementation afterwards is not up for discussion because no-one elected has considered it bar a minority of Brexiters.

I believe myself that leaving Europe is a constitutional change so large that we must have an election to decide upon a party best to lead us outside of Europe with a clear plan on how to do it. The Tories have not one single unified policy for Britain outside of Europe so how do they have a mandate to continue as the lead party, ESPECIALLY as they hold a position for us to stay in Europe. If they lose the referendum then the Tories have been effectively defeated on their own viewpoint so how can they continue with what becomes at stake.

As an example of how it isn't democratic - Nigel Farage wants to implement an Australian style points system, this is a guy who is not even an MP?! How does someone like him have a mandate to even talk about implementation. He of course can have an opinion but that opinion is swaying people to vote either way whilst it won't even be upto him anyway.
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I can see your argument I agree with it in some ways I just don't see it as a necessity
 
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So let's get this right... The EU bail out Ford an American, non EU country, to invest and create jobs in Turkey, currently a non-EU country, at the expense of employment in the UK an EU country. That doesn't sound right does it? Nice to see our £350m a week is being put to good use!

http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10020...oan_to_boost_Turkey_factory___and_close_ours/

Anyone offer any reasonable and sensible explanation? I appreciate this was 2012 but still needs explaining, or was it to do with the building of a road from Ankara to Brussels?
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
So let's get this right... The EU bail out Ford an American, non EU country, to invest and create jobs in Turkey, currently a non-EU country, at the expense of employment the UK an EU country. That died nt sound right does it? Nice to see our £350m a week is being put to good use!

http://m.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10020...oan_to_boost_Turkey_factory___and_close_ours/

Anyone offer any reasonable and sensible explanation?
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You need to fill in a t-45 notice and send it to the head of internal dofuckalls who will rip up your request for info...the end.
Probably charge you for their time ripping it up to.

You see the youtube video that irish MEP did, he showed what a complete load of shit it is and how even for him it is impossible to get basic info he needs.
Sinister and frustrating as fuck mate, a complete load of shit it is i can't wait to get out.
 
No wonder people such as Mandelson, Kinnock and Paton are screaming for us to stay in the EU.

Schauble has put extra pressure on them to speak out because he reckons the EU will have no obligation to continue to pay ex MEP's pensions if we vote Brexit.

Nice of them.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
To be clear in case you haven't understood my comment I was not saying that it would take 10 years for a market to recover I was saying that if you lose 100m then at 9m a year it would take a decade to recover it.

That does assume firstly that the markets remain compressed and don't rebound and secondly that, the sellers money is not lost but those whose share values have dropped has been on paper at least and until and unless the shares rebound

If you know so much you know some of the scenarios that could come true and some of the risks being taken .
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And I've voted in.

What I don't do is imply two things that aren't linked, are.

9bn per year has nothing to do with markets. It's what it costs UK Plc. The markets have as much to do with UK Plc paying 9bn per year as Sane costing you or I 50m euros.

It's perfectly acceptable to vote in and not make shit up to back your own point.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Any thoughts EB2?

Germany's largest bank predict Britain will outperform the EU if we vote to leave!

http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...massive-uk-grown-brexit-bbc-remainers-silent/
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Another 732 think the opposite, you know what I think.

Who in Deutsche bank ? according to Bloomberg the chairman has made a major speech Today and said it would be an absolute disaster

Are you sure this isn't just Breibart nonsense it is a hard right website that posts some occasional truths but also a huge lot of nonsense?
 
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SWP's back said:
And I've voted in.

What I don't do is imply two things that aren't linked, are.

9bn per year has nothing to do with markets. It's what it costs UK Plc. The markets have as much to do with UK Plc paying 9bn per year as Sane costing you or I 50m euros.

It's perfectly acceptable to vote in and not make shit up to back your own point.
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If I give up smoking to save 10 a week and then my wife gets a parking fine for 200 they are unrelated but in 20 weeks I will have saved enough to pay for the fine . Unrelated but not irellevant.

More interestingly for me what made you change in out and in.

Why are you still paying tax in the UK if you have move and lived overseas for a long while? Or are there nobresidencyband tax treaty rules in place between Qatar and the U.K.? Genuinely interested
 
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Anyone brexit affiliated has their own agenda to fulfill. They are not looking out for you. Not that the Tories are, but look at the big picture. We're a tiny island that still maintains a fucking monarchy. With being a part of Europe we are stronger. Should have joined the Euro imho.
 
I did, it's just the same old stuff from the Express. Cherry picked numbers without context that are lifted straight from Migration Watch.

We have control of our borders, stop being hysterical and read something other than the Express.

There are other websites such as Full Fact, the BBC's independent Fact Check website and even the Telegraph that will give proper analysis.
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Another 732 think the opposite, you know what I think.

Who in Deutsche bank ? according to Bloomberg the chairman has made a major speech Today and said it would be an absolute disaster
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/680402/Croatia-vote-of-no-confidence-politics-government-EU
Yaya_Tony said:
Anyone brexit affiliated has their own agenda to fulfill. They are not looking out for you. Not that the Tories are, but look at the big picture. We're a tiny island that still maintains a fucking monarchy. With being a part of Europe we are stronger. Should have joined the Euro imho.
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id prefer to leave for many reasons... that said. If we vote to remain we need to join the Euro and participate in the Federalisation plan because, whether we're a part of it or not.... it's happening, the EU member states will see to that. All the big, important strategic de ions will be made around strengthening the Euro and getting to being the United States of Europe and we will be excluded which means in my opinion it's the worst of all worlds... Cheers Dave and your excellent negotiating skills!
 
EalingBlue2 said:
If I give up smoking to save 10 a week and then my wife gets a parking fine for 200 they are unrelated but in 20 weeks I will have saved enough to pay for the fine . Unrelated but not irellevant.

More interestingly for me what made you change in out and in.

Why are you still paying tax in the UK if you have move and lived overseas for a long while? Or are there nobresidencyband tax treaty rules in place between Qatar and the U.K.? Genuinely interested
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That analogy is completely fucking wrong. You're either taking the piss of a fucking idiot. Either way. I'm not going to continue this with you. It's unrelated. Unrelevant and unreal that you're still trying to claim they are linked. UK Plc does not see any of that money. It belongs to a different entity. It's like you trying to save £100 a month by switching your mortgage and me taking out a car loan. It doesn't affect you in the slightest.



In as I'm a europhile and think free movement of labour is great for people. Out as the in campaign has annoyed the fuck out of me with negative campaigning. Back to out when it came to it as it means my clients won't be having to take six to twelve month hit on their assets.

I'm paying UK tax on my UK income.
I'm paying Qatar tax at zero percent on my Qatar based income. Nothing strange about it at all.
 
You can trust old George- just look at his record!

Osborne's one remaining fiscal rule is the promise to eliminate the budget deficit by 2020. The problem here is that his own pet thinktank the OBR have stated that there's only a 50-50 chance of him achieving that, and they haven't even factored in the likelihood of another global financial sector insolvency crisis into their calculations, which makes them pretty over-optimistic considering the largely unreformed state of the global financial system.

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To put this 50-50 claim from the OBR into perspective it's important to remember that in 2010 George Osborne promised that his ideological austerity agenda would have completely eliminated the budget deficit by 2015. This means that his very own thinktank say that he only has a 50-50 chance of achieving in 2020 what he promised to do by 2015!


 
Poor George is having a bit of a mare over his silly little threats, remember the rescission to end all rescission's with hundreds of thousands of jobs going down the pan, the one some foolish soul on here claimed would be like 911 ?

 
Pythagoras's theorem - 24 words.

Lord's Prayer - 66 words.

Archimedes's Principle - 67 words.

10 Commandments - 179 words.

Gettysburg address - 286 words.

U.S. Declaration of Independence - 1,300 words.

U.S. Constitution with all 27 Amendments - 7,818 words.

EU regulations on the sale of cabbage - 26,911 words

just about sums the eu up
 
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