smudgedj
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Drama Queen :-)
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Stop making sense.Nice one Sam mate.
It's just that little Englanders mentality. The thinking that we'd somehow be better alone than working together, when all the evidence points the opposite way.
NoWhat´s this little englander shite? The brexit lot want to make trade deals with the new American Administration, all the Commonwealth, the Far East and South America. The majority of the world, about 5 billion people. You remain lot wish to stay within europe to hide, remote and isolated inside a piddling little market, 10 times smaller. Only one group are cowardly xenophobes.
Reject negative xenophobic isolationism in the EU. (to paraphrase Obama)
Vote Leave.
TCIB
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Drama Queen :-)
I have got the lumpwood out mate and am thinking ribs or err well it's gonna be ribs.
The EU has been rather a large pain for my fathers company and most of it seems even on detailed inspection totally unnecessary.
One thing was this accreditation that a company could demand of us even though we already had higher standards set in the industry.
This was basically a tool used by others to try and force us to disclose manufacturing trade secrets.
My father would suss how to make the stuff requested (we are called 20 litre guys in the trade = small amounts of hard to make stuff).
Then i would organize the manufacturing needs, glassware heating oil, coolant etc etc, sort the lads shifts out and that was it.
Some company made a huge order with us then demanded we have this new eu iso accreditation. We complied to all but giving them access to our manufacturing process.
They caused a fuss as they only did it to try and get the manufacturing process out of us, i flat refused to let them in and had to pay pretty large legal costs just to show i was ok to do that.
It was the biggest are ache i have ever had to deal with in a work environment, did my head right in.
Prestwich_Blue
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Quite.So again I'm just playing devils advocate here and opening debate (and I've already voted), but the reasoning for many to vote out has nothing to do with little England but wanting to remain a sovereign state, able to trade with the world, allow in who they wish and not be part of an increasingly federalist super state (much like the Aussie's and Canadian's enjoy).
But again, that isn't what he was disputing. He was disputing the "don't care about the economy" and "racist" comment. It really isn't diffcult to understand.
I never called anyone racist. I said the main issue for outers as shown by repeated polls was immigration, he and others disagreed despite evidence to the contrary.
Yaya_Tony
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Sorry mate but I think you are an idiot. I've travelled to Asia, Africa, the states, always paid visa. We "remain lot" just want to work together.What´s this little englander shite? The brexit lot want to make trade deals with the new American Administration, all the Commonwealth, the Far East and South America. The majority of the world, about 5 billion people. You remain lot wish to stay within europe to hide, remote and isolated inside a piddling little market, 10 times smaller. Only one group are cowardly xenophobes.
Reject negative xenophobic isolationism in the EU. (to paraphrase Obama)
Vote Leave.
Your last sentence is irony. "negative xenophobic isolation"
That's the entire brexit campaign!!
RichardDunneOwnGoal
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Nice one Sam mate.
It's just that little Englanders mentality. The thinking that we'd somehow be better alone than working together, when all the evidence points the opposite way.
More ad hominem nonsense.
Mate, you asked the other day why closer political and fiscal union with other European nations within the EU is anything other than a positive, I replied fairly in depth and explained why.
You didn't respond.
Now you're just continuing to join Pam in the moronic ad hominem shilling of this thread, and yet you have the gall to present anyone else as dense or parochial?
Laughable mate, sorry.
If you think he's a monster, mate, he's one that has been created by the establishment.
Suppression of the debate on immigration/population growth by ALL mainstream parties and large chunks of the media have pushed some people towards fringe politics. This is not just in the UK either. It's a dangerous trend throughout Europe.
Ditto the unsolicited slide towards a federalist Europe. There would arguably be no referendum without Farage; just further immersion by stealth.
Compared to the bulk of MPs foisted upon us, he does indeed come over as a man of the people. For proof, look no further than the likes of Cameron, Osborne, Miliband, Harman and a whole host of career politicians.
Don't get me wrong, he's never a potential leader of the country but has certainly been a catalyst. There are lots of people out there without voices.
What suppression? This country does nothing but talk about immigration!!
The two biggest selling papers in the Mail and the Sun practically run headlines about it nearly every day and in the articles will be rent-a-quotes from all main parties.
malg
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Hey, hold on, who the fuck allowed you to vote...... this is getting ridiculous now. Christ, that fucking Smiths fan in America will probably get a vote as well.......!So again I'm just playing devils advocate here and opening debate (and I've already voted), but the reasoning for many to vote out has nothing to do with little England but wanting to remain a sovereign state, able to trade with the world, allow in who they wish and not be part of an increasingly federalist super state (much like the Aussie's and Canadian's enjoy).
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smudgedj
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I bought ribs today.I have got the lumpwood out mate and am thinking ribs or err well it's gonna be ribs.
The EU has been rather a large pain for my fathers company and most of it seems even on detailed inspection totally unnecessary.
One thing was this accreditation that a company could demand of us even though we already had higher standards set in the industry.
This was basically a tool used by others to try and force us to disclose manufacturing trade secrets.
My father would suss how to make the stuff requested (we are called 20 litre guys in the trade = small amounts of hard to make stuff).
Then i would organize the manufacturing needs, glassware heating oil, coolant etc etc, sort the lads shifts out and that was it.
Some company made a huge order with us then demanded we have this new eu iso accreditation. We complied to all but giving them access to our manufacturing process.
They caused a fuss as they only did it to try and get the manufacturing process out of us, i flat refused to let them in and had to pay pretty large legal costs just to show i was ok to do that.
It was the biggest are ache i have ever had to deal with in a work environment, did my head right in.
Sly fuckers. Well done for standing up to them.
Chippy_boy
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Quite.
Deluded.
smudgedj
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I don´t do irony that´s my maids job.Sorry mate but I think you are an idiot. I've travelled to Asia, Africa, the states, always paid visa. We "remain lot" just want to work together.
Your last sentence is irony. "negative xenophobic isolation"
That's the entire brexit campaign!!
TCIB
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I bought ribs today.
Sly fuckers. Well done for standing up to them.
I tell the missus to this day (kept that pic of your meat haul) when she shops like that i will marry her, until then keep wishing xD
It was complete nonsense @smudgedj and i should stress that i am not wanting to leave because i saw my father in distress (he loses his shit if the corner shop shuffles the crisps around) or anything so trivial. I am going of what i have experienced personally and what i know of the worlds economy on the whole. I do not know the stats like sweep does or the jargon but i am fully confident we will be just fine without the eu bureaucracy.
My Dutch friends daughter wants to study here and probably stay here (15yo and very smart girl), i will be willing to bet a decent sum she will be able to with little to no extra hassle should we leave.
Chippy_boy
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Sorry mate, that above criticism applies directly to your comments.
You were the one saying the Leavers could not stand the truth, which was the comment that started this area of debate.
If you want to get technical, point me to the truth - not an opinion, not "working it out" but the truth you say the Leavers are in denial over. Quite simple really. It may be pure bollocks in your opinion but is it any more or less bollocks than the opinion of those you quote. I guess the answer to that will depend on your viewpoint. Still you carry on dismissing the views of the Leavers the way you do and will be joining EB2 as the leave campaigns best recruiting sergeants. So, as you were....
I see you're reverting to type again, not engaging on what's being debated. I am not surprised, it's what you've done repeatedly for 900 pages.
Well you keep going on about the truth, so OK I'll give you a truth: The truth is, the vast majority of economists and experts who have exercised their grey matter and their computers are predicting that leaving the EU will be bad for our economy, bad for jobs, bad for our public services. Another truth us that these aren't guesses, they are predictions, projections, calculations, forecasts. Another truth is you don't want to hear it and will come up with whatever arbitrary shite, denial, diversionary tactics, ignoring it, claimihg they are all corrupt. In a word, you'll do anything necessary so as to not have to accept that the likelihood is that leaving is going to make us worse off.
Chippy_boy
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Still voting out because of that nosy **** Obama.
Course you are. Why not vote out because you don't like Cameron's ties?
malg
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Don't really notice them. Are they bad?Course you are. Why not vote out because you don't like Cameron's ties?
smudgedj
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I tell the missus to this day (kept that pic of your meat haul) when she shops like that i will marry her, until then keep wishing xD
It was complete nonsense @smudgedj and i should stress that i am not wanting to leave because i saw my father in distress (he loses his shit if the corner shop shuffles the crisps around) or anything so trivial. I am going of what i have experienced personally and what i know of the worlds economy on the whole. I do not know the stats like sweep does or the jargon but i am fully confident we will be just fine without the eu bureaucracy.
My Dutch friends daughter wants to study here and probably stay here (15yo and very smart girl), i will be willing to bet a decent sum she will be able to with little to no extra hassle should we leave.
I´m sure we will be fine as well. As i´m sure your friends daughter will be able to study and live in the UK. It´s only the morons with the atitude éverything will go to hell´ (i´ve just realised i´ve no speech marks on this keyboard. Stupid Portuguese keyboard lol) They remind me of reek or was it theon with his dick cut off and too scared to walk though the cell door to freedom.
jimmygrimblesboots
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Probably meant toads as opposed to actual frogs.
Yeah, because it's not like this is important or worthy of getting uptight about.
As for losing the argument, have you decreed a Brexit victory? I need to get down to the bookies with my life savings before anyone else finds out the 'argument' has been won and lost.
Monkfish
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So our lone white madman who murdered an mp was a card carrying Britain First member after all. The few days break from campaigning will just be enough time Johnson and Farage to wash the blood off their hands
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