Bring Back Joe Hart

[acess87]

Don't bring Hart back. Buy new decent fullbacks what should have been done at least last year. We have NO decent fullback! It's absolutely shocking.

 

[Eccles Blue]

Nothing can be ruled out but think about the ramifications of Hart returning in terms of the dynamic in the dressing room. Pep will be admitting he got it wrong which has to cast doubt in the minds of the squad, it would undermine his authority.

And letting Toure back in without the demanded apology from his stupid agent didn't already do that?

Please don't think from me posting this that I expect Joe Hart back, I don't think he will come back even if asked and who could blame him but personally I think that Guardiola's authority has already been undermined.

 

[Rolee]

And letting Toure back in without the demanded apology from his stupid agent didn't already do that?

Please don't think from me posting this that I expect Joe Hart back, I don't think he will come back even if asked and who could blame him but personally I think that Guardiola's authoriity has already been undermined.

Possibly, don't know what went on with Pep and Yaya behind closed doors though.

 

[domalino]

And letting Toure back in without the demanded apology from his stupid agent didn't already do that?

Please don't think from me posting this that I expect Joe Hart back, I don't think he will come back even if asked and who could blame him but personally I think that Guardiola's authoriity has already been undermined.

Pep got a grovelling apology on behalf of his agent from Yaya, that's what he wanted.

And given he also said Yaya must apologise to his teammates and the management before he played again, I imagine that's exactly what he did behind closed doors.

There is absolutely no way his authority has been undermined. He definitely won that battle.

 

[schfc6]

I know you are a stats man but what do your eyes tell you? is bravo struggling or not? De Gea is making great saves,important saves and keeping the rags in their games,bravo is not

What I'm seeing is grossly unfair critisism of Bravo right from the start. People saying they prefer their keepers good with their hands.
The keeper we have has achieved more than our last one ever will.
He has captained an unfashionable national side to two major international honours.
He was Barcelona's number one and won the lot there.
He's been voted one of the top five keepers in the World 2 years running.

Yet, he's arrived here like some sort of clown and treated as such since the minute he walked through the door.

I was a big fan of Hart on the pitch and have mutual friends off it. He was great for City but he's never and never will win what Bravo has.
He was poor last season and had a hideous Euros. I didn't think we'd or want him replaced.

But everything in Bravo's history suggest he's a very good keeper. He's not been given a chance. Near every goal we concede is left at his door.
There is an argument that Hart may have done better. I do believe he would have saved King's on Saturday.
There is however a misty eyed notion that Hart was excellent at 1 vs 1, I don't remeber so, he was very good at blocks and turned 70-30 challenges into 60/60's in his favour, but goals like Chelsea scored or Leicester, Hart was often rooted to his line.
Think Stoke at home last year.



This is not a dig at Joe, it highlights the difference between a block which Hart was great at and when the striker has half a field to run into.

 

[Silva top]

In my mind, Hart should never be in the dressing room again and singing his name will only cause more problems to the current squad. In the game v Leicester, play two slow fullbacks and a young learner in a line which is so high up that it leaves a large gap between keeper and the back line was an advert to the Leicester defenders to just boot long balls into space and let fast forwards run onto them. This was not rocket science and we got the result it deserved. It did not happen last night at Bournemouth and the result was different. Yes, the players did not turn up but we should expect better things from Management. Let's see if they learned anything at all for the game v Arsenal on Saturday. If not we will continue the statistic that says we haven't won any games against the top five clubs (home or away) for years.

 

[domalino]

Nothing can be ruled out but think about the ramifications of Hart returning in terms of the dynamic in the dressing room. Pep will be admitting he got it wrong which has to cast doubt in the minds of the squad, it would undermine his authority

You are approaching this completely wrong.

Pep. Didn't. Make. A. Mistake.

Hart isn't capable of playing the way Guardiola does. So getting rid of him couldn't be a mistake. No matter how many mistakes Bravo makes, Hart would be making 3x as many trying to play a way he simply can't - and Hart knows that which is why he left for any loan at all instead of spending a year as number 2.

To bring Hart back into the squad would be to stop playing the style of football he's built a career on for 30 years. It will happen over his dead body, he's made this really, really apparent in his press conferences from day 1.

 

[kaz7]

What I'm seeing is grossly unfair critisism of Bravo right from the start. People saying they prefer their keepers good with their hands.
The keeper we have has achieved more than our last one ever will.
He has captained an unfashionable national side to two major international honours.
He was Barcelona's number one and won the lot there.
He's been voted one of the top five keepers in the World 2 years running.

Yet, he's arrived here like some sort of clown and treated as such since the minute he walked through the door.

I was a big fan of Hart on the pitch and have mutual friends off it. He was great for City but he's never and never will win what Bravo has.
He was poor last season and had a hideous Euros. I didn't think we'd or want him replaced.

But everything in Bravo's history suggest he's a very good keeper. He's not been given a chance. Near every goal we concede is left at his door.
There is an argument that Hart may have done better. I do believe he would have saved King's on Saturday.
There is however a misty eyed notion that Hart was excellent at 1 vs 1, I don't remeber so, he was very good at blocks and turned 70-30 challenges into 60/60's in his favour, but goals like Chelsea scored or Leicester, Hart was often rooted to his line.
Think Stoke at home last year.



This is not a dig at Joe, it highlights the difference between a block with Hart was great at and when the striker has half a field to run into.

You didn't answer my question,all kinds of dross make it into their national teams that's why i never judge anyone by their international performances.I am talking about bravo and not joe,showing video's of joe doesn't make bravo any better,you are deflecting,what do your eyes tell you about bravo in a city shirt?

 

[blueparrot]

And letting Toure back in without the demanded apology from his stupid agent didn't already do that?

Please don't think from me posting this that I expect Joe Hart back, I don't think he will come back even if asked and who could blame him but personally I think that Guardiola's authoriity has already been undermined.

I think the opposite, the way Pep handled Toure has strengthened his position. He demanded an apology, but kept Toure training and when he got the apology from Toure himself, he played him. So not only did he show authority, he managed to show that if players do the right thing he doesn't burn his bridges. Hart is completely different, he knew Hart wouldn't be his first choice for football reasons and allowed him to leave for, Harts sake ,as much as the club having an unhappy player around.

 

[Rolee]

You are approaching this completely wrong.

Pep. Didn't. Make. A. Mistake.

Hart isn't capable of playing the way Guardiola does. So getting rid of him couldn't be a mistake. No matter how many mistakes Bravo makes, Hart would be making 3x as many trying to play a way he simply can't - and Hart knows that which is why he left for any loan at all instead of spending a year as number 2.

To bring Hart back into the squad would be to stop playing the style of football he's built a career on for 30 years. It will happen over his dead body, he's made this really, really apparent in his press conferences from day 1.

I didn't say he made a mistake, I was speaking hypothetically.

 

[schfc6]

You didn't answer my question,all kinds of dross make it into their national teams that's why i never judge anyone by their international performances.I am talking about bravo and not joe,showing video's of joe doesn't make bravo any better,you are deflecting,what do your eyes tell you about bravo in a city shirt?

I've told you, and tried to explain my point. I don't think Bravo deserves the shit he's getting and fans and 'pundits' seem desperate to find fault. They have done from minute one.
The video of Hart is not a dig at Hart, it's to show the difference between a 1vs 1 and what Bravo is facing.
People are trying to find fault in Bravo.

I know you like Joe, I do to. This isn't a dig at him. But below is a goal we conceded from Victor Moses. Hart isn't really at fault and isn't really blame. In fact Proven says he has no chance. Had that been Bravo he would have been blamed. This is my Pont, people are blaming Bravo with no context and far too easily.



Can you name me this dross international tournament winning captains?

Bravo is a very good keeper, due to an abysmal defence he's being hung out to dry. Every goal we concede is being levelled at him.

I'm not looking to find fault in him, so I don't blame him for all our goals. I think his handling has been excellent. He catches a high percentage of crosses and he uses the ball well. Even when it goes long, it's often to a man.
I don't think he's been anywhere as bad as some want him to be.

 

[kaz7]

I've told you, and tried to explain my point. I don't think Bravo deserves the shit he's getting and fans and 'pundits' seem desperate to find fault. They have done from minute one.
The video of Hart is not a dig at Hart, it's to show the difference between a 1vs 1 and what Bravo is facing.
People are trying to find fault in Bravo.

Can you name me this dross international tournament winning captains?

Bravo is a very good keeper, due to an abysmal defence he's being hung out to dry. Every goal we concede is being levelled at him.

I'm not looking to find fault in him, so I don't blame him for all our goals. I think his handling has been excellent. He catches a high percentage of crosses and he uses the ball well. Even when it goes long, it's often to a man.
I don't think he's been anywhere as bad as some want him to be.

Then we won't be finding any common ground as my eyes are telling me different things to you.i'm sure both of us want him to be better so we can at least agree on that

 

[Rolee]

I've told you, and tried to explain my point. I don't think Bravo deserves the shit he's getting and fans and 'pundits' seem desperate to find fault. They have done from minute one.
The video of Hart is not a dig at Hart, it's to show the difference between a 1vs 1 and what Bravo is facing.
People are trying to find fault in Bravo.

Can you name me this dross international tournament winning captains?

Bravo is a very good keeper, due to an abysmal defence he's being hung out to dry. Every goal we concede is being levelled at him.

I'm not looking to find fault in him, so I don't blame him for all our goals. I think his handling has been excellent. He catches a high percentage of crosses and he uses the ball well. Even when it goes long, it's often to a man.
I don't think he's been anywhere as bad as some want him to be.

Completely agree with this. I will say though that I thought he was poor on Chelsea's second and third, didn't expect him to save either but he didn't do nearly enough to attempt to.

That aside there's no other goal we've conceded that I thought that's a simple save, that said though he needs to start making some difficult saves as that's what sets the best apart.

 

[blueparrot]

I've told you, and tried to explain my point. I don't think Bravo deserves the shit he's getting and fans and 'pundits' seem desperate to find fault. They have done from minute one.
The video of Hart is not a dig at Hart, it's to show the difference between a 1vs 1 and what Bravo is facing.
People are trying to find fault in Bravo.

I know you like Joe, I do to. This isn't a dig at him. But below is a goal we conceded from Victor Moses. Hart isn't really at fault and isn't really blame. In fact Proven says he has no chance. Had that been Bravo he would have been blamed. This is my Pont, people are blaming Bravo with no context and far too easily.



Can you name me this dross international tournament winning captains?

Bravo is a very good keeper, due to an abysmal defence he's being hung out to dry. Every goal we concede is being levelled at him.

I'm not looking to find fault in him, so I don't blame him for all our goals. I think his handling has been excellent. He catches a high percentage of crosses and he uses the ball well. Even when it goes long, it's often to a man.
I don't think he's been anywhere as bad as some want him to be.

Most of the goals that some are blaming him for are the one on ones. My point would be if so many one on ones are happening, we should be looking to blame further up the pitch, by the time it get to the keeper, whoever he is, more times than not it's already too late to prevent a goal. The answer is to cut out errors leading to the keeper being exposed.

 

[schfc6]

Completely agree with this. I will say though that I thought he was poor on Chelsea's second and third, didn't expect him to save either but he didn't do nearly enough to attempt to.

That aside there's no other goal we've conceded that I thought that's a simple save, that said though he needs to start making some difficult saves as that's what sets the best apart.

Agree. I thought King's Saturday was his fault, fault being harsh, saves it, it becomes World Class.
The video of Hart is to show how it's quite difficult to judge or position yourself when a striker has some much grass to run in to.
Chelsea second, he didn't really do anything, be it right or wrong. Fans would prefer him to come flying out, had he flown out and still not saved it, Hed have been magically absolved of blame.

I agree, he needs to start making some saves. Hopefully our defence will stop making it so easy to score. Limiting the acres of spaces and seconds of time international forwards are getting 10 yards from goal might help him.

 

[schfc6]

Most of the goals that some are blaming him for are the one on ones. My point would be if so many one on ones are happening, we should be looking to blame further up the pitch, by the time it get to the keeper, whoever he is, more times than not it's already too late to prevent a goal. The answer is to cut out errors leading to the keeper being exposed.

Agreed, not so sure what he's facing are even 1vs1. He's pretty much facing the old style American penalty but with being able to charge out..

 

[KUN_a]

He's not coming back, he doesn't fit in with peps style of play, let's move on.

 

[Chrper]

Strange thread this one, Hart is never coming back so I am afraid you need to come to terms with your loss.....
Yes he is still on our books, but do you really think he will ever put on a city shirt again?
You know the answer is no, so why the thread.
It just seems very strange that we now have Pep and yet some people are basically saying that we the fans should pick the team, drop bravo and bring back Hart and play him instead....
In Pep we don't trust is the phrase I think you are looking for!!

Only on BM.....

Now if there was a thread about singing a song to get Pep to never play Kolarov ever again, or to buy us a couple of decent fullbacks I might be able to get behind it!!!!

 

[steviemc]

How can you not understand what my point is? De Gea was quite clearly nowhere near peaking at such a young age and was clearly being aggressively targeted by the opposition. Bravo has yet to actually really face that kind of pressure, intact he's had little to do yet has still managed to alienate half the fan base. Furthermore Bravo is supposedly at his peak.

Ah, so you're implying that De Gea had a terrible first season because strikers gave him a hard time. Aww, that's a shame. That's their job FFS.
The simple fact of the matter is that the fans expected more from their keeper and he failed to deliver in his first season there. They didn't bin him off though did they? They gave him time, and in doing so they've proved the doubters wrong.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that Bravo's had anything like a good start, however the guy did have proven ability before arriving here. Once the Hart vs Bravo agenda is put to bed, I don't see much of a difference between the two scenario's to be honest.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

How about we all wish that Bravo has a fantastic game against Watford, the team plays like we know we really can, and the 3 points are secured ?

That we we can put all this Bravo v Hart shit behind us .............................................until Sunday at least !