Aymeric Laporte

[SPIDERBOY]

Yes, it does, it's a material clause in his contract. I suggest you spend a bit of time learning about EU contract law before making any more fuckwit statements like this.

I thought if you meet the buyout clause,the player has to then be informed,then discussions with the player commence.
Is that not the case?....genuine question.

 

[Kompany is King]

So is a January signing more likely than the summer?

 

[FCBarca]

... but the decision is between us and Laporte if we meet the buyout clause, unless I'm missing something?

Something's missing alright

The release/buyout/transfer fee is not a simple process in Spain in general, and again, simply paying said fee does not constitute a sale - the clause is actually linked to the player themselves in contracts and Athletic hold their players accountable in this manner, sometimes also demanding the VAT on top of the fee. Javi Martinez' transfer to Bayern is a prime example and ask KHR what he thought of dealing with Bilbao - they had to pretty much sneak the player out of the city at night, a bizarre transfer in the end

The good is that Pep has dealt with Bilbao as has Txiki and Laporte's agents are all friends with the City principals but perhaps more reason why Athletic will refuse to be handled too. It'll be complicated if he is indeed the target again

 

[Benarbia’s Backheel]

I think you've missed his point there. You're also pretty blind to the way most transfers happen, personal terms are agreed before the club holding the registration is approached. But keep on lad and enjoy yourself.

:')

 

[JimmyNJ]

Everybody wrote yaya of and he's back better than ever I trust vinny will as well.

Yaya didnt have an injury record like Vinny, just a motivation problem which seems to have been solved. Vinny's problems are completely out of his hand, he just cant stay healthy.

 

[aguero93:20]

I thought if you meet the buyout clause,the player has to then be informed,then discussions with the player commence.
Is that not the case?....genuine question.

And if personal terms are agreed then the selling club can't stop the sale. So in terms of the sale itself it's guaranteed.

 

[blueparrot]

And if personal terms are agreed then the selling club can't stop the sale. So in terms of the sale itself it's guaranteed.

Thats correct, but if I understand it right, it's cheaper if we can agree with the club to buy him, rather thar trigger the buyout which the player pays. If that happens doesnt the player have to pay tax which we we would need to pay on top ?

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Something's missing alright

The release/buyout/transfer fee is not a simple process in Spain in general, and again, simply paying said fee does not constitute a sale - the clause is actually linked to the player themselves in contracts and Athletic hold their players accountable in this manner, sometimes also demanding the VAT on top of the fee. Javi Martinez' transfer to Bayern is a prime example and ask KHR what he thought of dealing with Bilbao - they had to pretty much sneak the player out of the city at night, a bizarre transfer in the end

The good is that Pep has dealt with Bilbao as has Txiki and Laporte's agents are all friends with the City principals but perhaps more reason why Athletic will refuse to be handled too. It'll be complicated if he is indeed the target again

Thanks for the response. Interesting stuff so it looks like I've got some reading to do.

 

[aguero93:20]

Thats correct, but if I understand it right, it's cheaper if we can agree with the club to buy him, rather thar trigger the buyout which the player pays. If that happens doesnt the player have to pay tax which we we would need to pay on top ?

Bilbao don't negotiate.

 

[blueparrot]

Bilbao don't negotiate.

Not on price, I know, but they may negotiate on whether we buy direct from them or whether they make the player buy himself out. To them it makes no difference on the fee they receive.
But to the buying club it means either pay the fee to Bilbao or pay the fee plus the tax the player will have to pay , as if we pay the player to buy himself out he pays tax as it's income. So staying on the right side of Bilboa is beneficial.
For example if we wanted to force the release in January Bilboa would force us to pay the player to buy himself out and it would cost us £51 m plus tax. If we negotiate and agree to wait until summer they might just agree to sell him direct fot £51 m.

 

[aguero93:20]

Not on price, I know, but they may negotiate on whether we buy direct from them or whether they make the player buy himself out. To them it makes no difference on the fee they receive.
But to the buying club it means either pay the fee to Bilbao or pay the fee plus the tax the player will have to pay , as if we pay the player to buy himself out he pays tax as it's income. So staying on the right side of Bilboa is beneficial.
For example if we wanted to force the release in January Bilboa would force us to pay the player to buy himself out and it would cost us £51 m plus tax. If we negotiate and agree to wait until summer they might just agree to sell him direct fot £51 m.

I'm pretty sure we'll have to pay VAT.

 

[blueparrot]

I'm pretty sure we'll have to pay VAT.

Sorry not making myself clear, VAT is paid on all transfers yes.
If we agree with Bilbao to buy Laporte direct we pay Bilbao the £51 mill fee plus VAT.
If we want to buy him without their goodwill. Then only the player can buy out his contract, its not a release clause its a contract buyout.
In this case we have to pay the money to Laporte £51 mill plus VAT for the player to pay to Bilboa for his contract. In this case its seen as income for Laporte and he has to pay tax on it. He would then expect us to pay that personal tax bill as well, so we would pay £50mill plus VAT plus his personal tax bill.

 

[aguero93:20]

Sorry not making myself clear, VAT is paid on all transfers yes.
If we agree with Bilbao to buy Laporte direct we pay Bilbao the £51 mill fee plus VAT.
If we want to buy him without their goodwill. Then only the player can buy out his contract, its not a release clause its a contract buyout.
In this case we have to pay the money to Laporte £51 mill plus VAT for the player to pay to Bilboa for his contract. In this case its seen as income for Laporte and he has to pay tax on it. He would then expect us to pay that personal tax bill as well, so we would pay £50mill plus VAT plus his personal tax bill.

Not necessarily, we could treat it as a capital acquisition, but it depends on the Spanish revenue.

 

[domalino]

I'm pretty sure we'll have to pay VAT.

The weird tax law which meant that you might have to pay 20% on top of the release clause if the club doesn't play ball has changed this year apparently, it's no longer a factor.

 

[blueparrot]

The weird tax law which meant that you might have to pay 20% on top of the release clause if the club doesn't play ball has changed this year apparently, it's no longer a factor.

could've told me earlier, would have saved me a few posts explaining it ;)

 

[aguero93:20]

could've told me earlier, would have saved me a few posts explaining it ;)

Still, we could have ducked the income tax.

 

[acess87]

I remember Bayern having much fun with them when buying Martinez.

 

[iwasthere1968]

Why the concern about vat , dont we offset that against vat we charge out ?

 

[MCFC_4Heatons]

if we are gonna pay the release clause just get it done now why wait till summer

FFP? Does it not apply anymore??

 

[Burtonblue]

Having a v good game again tonight
Reckon Pep will be asking the Sheik to break the bank for him in the summer
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