£7,360 per day.

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

This is from the Evening Standard ...

"the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) received a 10 to 15 per cent discount from BCG, whose day rates for public sector work range from £2,400 to £7,360 for the most senior consultants."

The day rate is what BCG invoice DHSC for providing consultacy services. Those figures might include VAT, I can't see for certain if they do or don't and the Sun say it is before the discount is applied. It's likely that the top rate will be rarely charged.

When running a consultancy business you have other costs to cover. Training, office space and equipment, back office support staff, hotels, travel, software costs and licences, insurance, pensions, sick pay, bench time* (when staff aren't earning or training like when a player is on the bench in football he still gets paid, it's the same with consultants.) After that you need to try to make a profit otherwise why bother.

There is (I'm pretty sure) no-one getting paid £7k+ per day.

Politicians and journalists quoting this figure and stating that this amount is being paid to people in an effort to discredit them only goes to show how thick they are in understanding how business actually works. The rates are what they are due to market forces. And yes, it is unfair that an IT person gets paid £100k pa but a nurse gets paid a third of it. Knocking wages down to parity doesn't fix that, the talent pool is already small, hence the rates, so would only reduce it further.

 

[meltonblue]

I'm not looking at it through any lens I voted Labour last time out of the blocks, if you're telling me that Labour last time round didn't ride the gravy train then it's you that is looking at it through the political lens.

No I’m not saying that, I’m saying that no other government has implemented laws to enable them to bypass existing tender processes. If previous governments had done it, we’d at least have legally had visibility of the process and they had to follow certain rules. Them changing the law is what has allowed this government to get away with it on a completely incomparable scale.

Politicians from all sides are untrustworthy, absolutely. Legally changing the fundamentals of our processes to enable it is an entirely different kettle of fish though.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Its a disgrace but lets not even start to pretend that private contractors wouldn't be getting paid similar and making a killing off the back of this crises regardless of the Government.

That isn't whataboutism before some clever arse claims it, its just fact.

If nepotism and corruption in the awarding of the contracts can be proven then lets charge accordingly and take the corrupt fuckers to the cleaners but numbers like this wont be anything out of the ordinary and if the general public knew just how much money is washing around for a select few on a daily basis, we would probably be ringing our French friends and asking to borrow a few Guillotines.

It's interesting you mention the French because a bunch of politicians in their government are now under investigation for criminal negligence in their handling of the virus. Don't hold you breath for anything like that ever happening in the UK. They can't even get the people responsible for Grenfell.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Who did they call? This guy?

 

[carlosthejackal]

Yet Rishi Sunak won’t continue the furlough scheme to protect people’s jobs because he believes British “taxpayers don’t want us to pay people for not working” (or some similar comment).

Think he needs to revise that viewpoint because we’re paying for a track and trace service that time and again, is shown to not be working!

Even if they can justify not continuing the furlough scheme, what’s the rationale for ignoring the need to provide free school meals to kids - who through no fault of theirs, are in poverty?

It’s all about ideological choices.

Yep, we can’t afford to feed children or subsidise people who are forced out of work but can pay our mates and faceless consultants a shit load , once this is finally over the majority of theses fuckers in government should be arrested.

 

[Vicious111]

I don't disagree with the fact that some parts of the NHS are wasteful in getting help with their data, but that last paragraph is simply untrue. What's your expertise on the matter?

Mate there are countless examples of senior medical professionals and consultants coming out and lambasting the government and these consultants.

Look at Liverpool as a case study. I watched a Panarama investigation into NHS consultancies and the finding were seriously worrying. Liverpool removed these consultancies and their efficiency and results rocketed. These people are literally being paid excessive amounts of money and producing absolutely no value over what medical professionals can provide.

 

[Rascal]

Thanks for the reply pal, the inner workings of institutions is a minefield.

It is something the NHS could make clearer, because if you attend a clinic you usually get a list of Doctors on the rota. At SRFT in the Psoriasis clinic, patients are seen on the cab rank basis, patients are moved to rooms to await the consultation, then when you are top of the pile the next available consultant takes your case. The Prof is in charge of all the cases and he will see specific people as most are follow ups or routine appts. If I was there and I needed to see Prof, I would make it known at reception and he would see me, if I don't particularly need Prof I see one of his registrars who will report to Prof and then Prof may decide he had best see me or he will happy with the Registrars judgement. Prof cant possibly see everyone so by doing it this way he gets input on everyone without actually being there in person, but he still head of clinic and senior consultant.

 

[Rascal]

This is from the Evening Standard ...

"the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) received a 10 to 15 per cent discount from BCG, whose day rates for public sector work range from £2,400 to £7,360 for the most senior consultants."

The day rate is what BCG invoice DHSC for providing consultacy services. Those figures might include VAT, I can't see for certain if they do or don't and the Sun say it is before the discount is applied. It's likely that the top rate will be rarely charged.

When running a consultancy business you have other costs to cover. Training, office space and equipment, back office support staff, hotels, travel, software costs and licences, insurance, pensions, sick pay, bench time* (when staff aren't earning or training like when a player is on the bench in football he still gets paid, it's the same with consultants.) After that you need to try to make a profit otherwise why bother.

There is (I'm pretty sure) no-one getting paid £7k+ per day.

Politicians and journalists quoting this figure and stating that this amount is being paid to people in an effort to discredit them only goes to show how thick they are in understanding how business actually works. The rates are what they are due to market forces. And yes, it is unfair that an IT person gets paid £100k pa but a nurse gets paid a third of it. Knocking wages down to parity doesn't fix that, the talent pool is already small, hence the rates, so would only reduce it further.

Cheers for the clarification.

It still however makes me angry that these people are consulting on something they have made a total bollox off.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

That is what is being paid to test and trace consultants .

And before you say its lefty propaganda its in the Daily fucking Heil.

This is an absolute disgrace and it shows that outsourcing to the private sector is just a way of funnelling taxpayers money to Tory party donors. Taking of taxpayers what's happened to the Taxpayers Alliance they should be all over this surely. the fucking bent cunts.

How anyone can support that fucking clown Johnson after this is beyond me, they are using an epidemic to enrich themselves, the immoral set of bastards. By God I hate fucking hate every single one of them, the self serving twats.

There's a piece in the latest Eye that showcases the kind of money that is being shelled out to consultants. It appears that even the seconded 'interns' from the major bean counters who do the photocopying are probably on the minimum but their employers are chalking up £290 per hour. There's no way a modern government can claim to be prudent with taxpayers' money.

 

[Rascal]

There's a piece in the latest Eye that showcases the kind of money that is being shelled out to consultants. It appears that even the seconded 'interns' from the major bean counters who do the photocopying are probably on the minimum but their employers are chalking up £290 per hour. There's no way a modern government can claim to be prudent with taxpayers' money.

And where is Chloe Westley and her Taxpayers alliance chums from Tufton Street. Surely they should be moaning about this, but not a peep.