27 | Matheus Nunes - 2023/24

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B\connellblue said:
Future top players for us would be the academy boys. We buy what are supposed to be close to the finished article. This lad is nowhere near that. A baffling purchase.
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The academy boys are mostly there to be sold, so we can make a profit and buy the best talent in the world. We have seen it in the last 15 years or so. At the end of the day, in such a long time, only Phil and Rico made it with us properly.

Around 90%+ of our team is built from players who were young and extremely talented (thus, established in some good, but not quite top teams) when we signed them, and then we turned them into world-class players. I think Nunes will join the list, and in a year from now, he will be a starter for us. The only genuinely established, world-class player we have signed in the last few years is Haaland. Nevertheless, he still fits the profile of a young, extremely talented lad, though.
 
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Haaland94 said:
The academy boys are mostly there to be sold, so we can make a profit and buy the best talent in the world. We have seen it in the last 15 years or so. At the end of the day, in such a long time, only Phil and Rico made it with us properly.

Around 90%+ of our team is built from players who were young and extremely talented (thus, established in some good, but not quite top teams) when we signed them, and then we turned them into world-class players. I think Nunes will join the list, and in a year from now, he will be a starter for us. The only genuinely established, world-class player we have signed in the last few years is Haaland. Nevertheless, he still fits the profile of a young, extremely talented lad, though.
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He is 25, hardly a young player
 
bluemoon32 said:
He is 25, hardly a young player
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He is a few months younger than Nathan Ake was when he first joined us. He is not in his early twenties, but he can still improve significantly. Hardly an old player. He has at least another 8 years at the top level. I just think we need to give him time. In my opinion, he has shown signs of raw ability, so Pep has something to work with.
 
B\connellblue said:
Future top players for us would be the academy boys. We buy what are supposed to be close to the finished article. This lad is nowhere near that. A baffling purchase.
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Sorry can't get on board with that. We buy players who are good but Pep then takes them to another level. Not one signing has come in and stood still progression-wise under Pep and that's why he's the best in the world.
 
skillman said:
Sorry can't get on board with that. We buy players who are good but Pep then takes them to another level. Not one signing has come in and stood still progression-wise under Pep and that's why he's the best in the world.
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Wasting your time with the OP @skillman as he's the most negative and miserable fucker with regard to his opinions of our players and team.
 
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B\connellblue said:
Future top players for us would be the academy boys. We buy what are supposed to be close to the finished article. This lad is nowhere near that. A baffling purchase.
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Who was the last player we bought who was close to the finished article, aside from Haaland who is literally world class?
 
B\connellblue said:
Theres been a few poor buys over the last 2/3 seasons in fairness.
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No, I'm asking you to let us know of these players who are close to the finished article, as you said that's the kind of player we buy.

I don't think we do tend to buy players close to the finished article, and can't think of the last player we bought who fitted that mould.

We buy players who we believe will specifically fit into the style of football that we play, and who are also good characters. I'd be amazed if Nunes doesn't fit that mould within a year, but will need some patience for now.

Alvarez, Akanji, Ake are prime examples of players who were deemed to be able to develop into the above category and have largely delivered.

I've not mentioned Gvardiol, Doku and Kovacic, as they haven't been here long enough to judge, but another 12 months will show us where they are.

Nunes will probably end up in the Ake and Akanji bracket, where they will be solid squad players and no more, and that's fine.
 
youngbob said:
What on earth? No we don't. Gundogan, Zinchenko, Sané, Jesus, Bernardo, Rodri, Cancelo, Alvarez, Akanji, Gvardiol, Doku, Nunes... Sometimes we do buy players for what they already are as opposed to what they'll become. Players like Walker, Haaland, Dias, Kovacic etc. But the majority of the time we sign players who aren't fully moulded yet so that Pep can take the reigns of their development and increase their potential.
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I wouldn't bother engaging with this pillock mate. He simply won't accept what the rest of us already know.
 
Time and time again such quick judgements on players are shown to be flawed. What are you saying about Pep if you deliver your final judgement after so little time working with him?
 
oldius said:
Time and time again such quick judgements on players are shown to be flawed. What are you saying about Pep if you deliver your final judgement after so little time working with him?
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It's extraordinary. You'd think people had never watched us under Pep. It's amazing how many people are judging Nunes prematurely. He needs far more time.
 
B\connellblue said:
So is everyone else in the squad from last season including Philips.
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Right, but there's a chasm between the contributions of Grealish and Phillips last season and if you can't see that then I'm just gonna assume you're just being deliberately obtuse. Phillips was barely involved last season whereas Grealish was a regular starter and played every big game between January and June. He was crucial to our shape and build-up and made key interventions in season-changing matches.

Although, for what it's worth, clearly Phillips contributed a lot last season in the dressing room - he's very obviously mates with all the England lads and he was the first person Bernardo ran to after scoring against Bayern. Keeping morale high among the squad doesn't mean much to us supporters but, on a day to day basis, if he kept that squad just 1% happier, and happy enough to win a treble, then he goes with my good graces.
 
youngbob said:
Right, but there's a chasm between the contributions of Grealish and Phillips last season and if you can't see that then I'm just gonna assume you're just being deliberately obtuse. Phillips was barely involved last season whereas Grealish was a regular starter and played every big game between January and June. He was crucial to our shape and build-up and made key interventions in season-changing matches.

Although, for what it's worth, clearly Phillips contributed a lot last season in the dressing room - he's very obviously mates with all the England lads and he was the first person Bernardo ran to after scoring against Bayern. Keeping morale high among the squad doesn't mean much to us supporters but, on a day to day basis, if he kept that squad just 1% happier, and happy enough to win a treble, then he goes with my good graces.
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Stop wasting your time mate, a well put together post like this is wasted on some people.

"You only see what your eyes want to see".
 
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