31 | Ederson - 2021/22 Performances

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hihosilva said:
His shot stopping hasn't been as good recently but to say there are around 12 other keepers better at that is just crazy. There's been many times when he's saved us in one on one situations.
As for Allison how man times as he fucked up playing out from the back.
I wouldn't swap Ederson for anyone.
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I keep posting that I just like him to 'get in the way' a bit more, but I wouldn't swap him for anyone. He fits into our team like his hands fit into his gloves. And I await a long drawn out pen shoot out so he can rip the net off its anchors.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
You're not actually claiming Alisson is a better passer, are you?
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Build your strawman wherever you want pal, I’ll be over here talking with the adults. I’ve made no such claim, I responded to someone (two actually) claiming he’s a walking disaster with ball at feet, likely based on a ten minute brain fart he had against us 18 months ago.

The stats don’t back it up. I was certainly surprised that Alisson makes more passes per game than Ederson, were you?
 
SWP's back said:
Normal fan: “Ederson can improve his shot stopping, hopefully back to previous levels”

Weird Fan: “wHy Are YOu HatInG oN hIM?”
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:-D

He can improve his shot stopping, absolutely agree - never stand still.

Some stuff I've seen the last few days have bordered on the ridiculous - one example on Facebook was suggesting we should get one of the keepers from the relegated teams to give him some competition - so i asked whether they felt Angus Gunn was a better keeper and they said "Yes he is"!!!
 
SWP's back said:
No, it says I’m not full of blue bias. It also says it’s unlikely you watched many of Liverpool’s games this season.

You’re remembering one bad game that Alisson had against City in the season prior to the one just ended.

Alisson made more saves, had more touches, had a higher save percentage, completed more passes and had the same amount of unsuccessful short passes and virtually the same pass completion percentage. Opta also rated him substantially higher

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That doesn’t mean I want Ederson to leave, it means that he can improve.

By the way, for context, neither get anywhere near the top 30 PL all time save percentages on record (Cezh at 90% in 2005 holes the record), and to make the top 30, a save percentage of 80% is needed.

Ederson shared the golden glove, although he made 60 saves (20th highest) in 38 games, compared with 148 for the Leeds keeper.

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There are a great many better shot stoppers in the PL, none (or perhaps only one) of whom could do the job City require of their keepers.
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That's a well balanced post. I love Ederson but sometimes he's a little flat footed. We must look at constantly improving and minimising areas of weakness.
 
SWP's back said:
The facts absolutely disagree. See above. I watched every Liverpool game this season and he was very good, as he usually is. Which is why he has many more Brazil caps than Ederson.
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He has more caps for Brazil as he's a better all round keeper, there is no doubting that. Ederson is perfect for a Pep team and in a way is a luxury player as he needs to be in a team that dominates the ball to get the best out of him.

However Alisson's distribution is terrible. Stats are a good starting point but don't tell the whole picture, yes it may say he makes successful passes but some of those are putting his defenders under pressure as he hasn't a scooby what to do when the ball is at his feet.

He's had some high profile fuck ups like against us but there has been many times he has gotten away with it as he has the best defence man for man in europe in front of him.

He will fuck up with his feet this Saturday, mark my words.
 
Alisson is a way better keeper than Ederson. End of the story. Anyone who is watching football will admit it. Ederson's nervousness, lack of communication, easy mistakes, and inability to make sometimes simple saves has cost us the Champions League. And he has never looked like a clever, calm guy which is very important in terms of a world-class goalkeeper.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
You don't think Ederson has ever looked calm? Are you off your tits?

But, to be fair to you, I don't think anyone has ever accused him of looking clever.
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Look at Neuer, Alisson, Casillas, or Navas, CL winners, they all were much better in terms of stopping shots or 1 vs 1 than Ederson. Ederson's decisions in terms of positioning in 1 vs 1 and saving, even simple shots are ofter terrible. He is not a top keeper in terms of saving the shots, a typical goalkeeper's routine, that's why I don't know if we will win Cl with him as a goalkeeper. In the crucial CL games he is often terrible and he is not helping the team.
 
mj1991 said:
Alisson is a way better keeper than Ederson. End of the story. Anyone who is watching football will admit it. Ederson's nervousness, lack of communication, easy mistakes, and inability to make sometimes simple saves has cost us the Champions League. And he has never looked like a clever, calm guy which is very important in terms of a world-class goalkeeper.
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Alisson is really good at one on ones, Ederson is better at every other thing...

If you want to talk shot stopping exclusively, Oblak is the high bar.
 
samarasra said:
"but he couldn't save if he was put in a bank". What motivates someone to post that. It is not an opinion based on fact it is just a blatant falsehood. If you want facts watch some of the vast number of City's full match videos available.
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because I genuinely think he is not good at shot stopping. And I thought this was a forum for views? Not sure if the forum will survive if everyone comes up with 100% facts. Also, I don't need to watch full match videos - I have only missed 2 games all season and (pre Covid) 1 the season before last for example. He has some great aspects to his game but I think he is comfortably below average at shot stopping.
 
Love him and wouldn't swap him for anyone. He's a mad bastard and I feel it suits our club down to the ground never mind what he brings pep and the team with his footballing ability
 
Under his own standards this season, but we're not finding or buying better. Just need to up his form next season.
 
mj1991 said:
Look at Neuer, Alisson, Casillas, or Navas, they all are way more clever players than Ederson. Ederson's decisions in terms of positioning in 1 vs 1 and saving simply shots are ofter terrible. He is not a top keeper in terms of saving the shots, a typical goalkeeper's routine, that's why I don't know if we will win Cl with him as a goalkeeper. In the crucial CL games he is often terrible and he is not helping the team.
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We can easily win the Champions League with him in the team and we probably will.

I think a lot of people, still, despite the evidence, seem to think that winning football matches is about having the best players in each respective position, get too hung up on looking at what other clubs have and think it's simply a case of slotting in some top quality keeper from Serie A or some winger with an amazing first touch from a relegation candidate.

There's absolutely no problem with pointing out where our players need to improve or saying when they're out of form but when you get into hyperbole about a player who has been the mainstay of our success during the Pep era, you need to have a serious think about whether or not you're as on the ball as you think you are.

The guy has undeniably added to a serious winning culture at the club, whether or not he's been pulling off quality saves every week.

The proof is in the pudding.

If you want to bend over backwards to talk about how we've won everything in spite of him or how we can't win a particular trophy because of him then knock yourself out but some things are too silly to not pull up.

So, again, you don't think Ederson has ever looked calm?
 
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