Arsenal Thread 2013/14

[afc16]

Of course Arsenal have a chance, just as much as us if you ask me.

Out of us, Chelsea and them, I would argue we have the hardest set of fixtures to play, away to Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Everton and yoonited plus home to Chelsea.

I actually think Chelsea will win it.

I think a lot will depend on whether we beat Chelsea. As poor as United have been this season they will go to Chelsea thinking they can get something, even if it is a point. If they do get something and we get something at Spurs (i think we will beat them) then we go into the Chelsea game knowing a win could take us 6 points clear of them then that is a decent margin going into our away games at Arsenal/United/Everton/Liverpool.

All ifs and buts, but thats football. The squad that can keep away from injuries in the best way will win it imo.

Pretty much my thinking. We have the best squad, but that doesn't do us a lot of good if all our best players are injured. I'm no longer convinced Arsenal are going to collapse, but they've got two very good teams to get past if they want to win it.

at this point its pretty obvious that all the 3 teams have 2 very good teams to get past, not just arsenal.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

have to say I have been surprised with arsenal this season, as we all know they do tend to start well and then fade away. Still a long way to go but they are grinding out the results against the lower and mid table teams, but as stated above it will come down to the top of the table clashes.

arsenal still have a tendency to get beat in these games which make the difference

 

[Gillespie]

have to say I have been surprised with arsenal this season, as we all know they do tend to start well and then fade away. Still a long way to go but they are grinding out the results against the lower and mid table teams, but as stated above it will come down to the top of the table clashes.

arsenal still have a tendency to get beat in these games which make the difference

The oft quoted view that Arsenal fade in the second half of the season is a canard.

Arsenal were the most consistent team in 2013 gaining more points than any other team and especially at the back end of the 2012-2013 season with a hugely impressive winning run to yet again secure 4th spot despite their poor start to the season. Similarly, in 2011-2012.

Now I'm not saying they will win the PL this season, but wrong to assume they will collapse especially when that view is based upon such a demonstrable fallacy.<br /><br />-- Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:49 pm --<br /><br />PS

I hate lazy predictions based upon the assumption that past performance is somehow a good guide to future outcomes.

None of us knows how the season will turn out but predictions based upon the perceived relative strengths of the teams involved is likely a better guide than past performance, meaning City and Chelsea are deservedly favourites for the title.

 

[afc16]

have to say I have been surprised with arsenal this season, as we all know they do tend to start well and then fade away. Still a long way to go but they are grinding out the results against the lower and mid table teams, but as stated above it will come down to the top of the table clashes.

arsenal still have a tendency to get beat in these games which make the difference

The oft quoted view that Arsenal fade in the second half of the season is a canard.

Arsenal were the most consistent team in 2013 gaining more points than any other team and especially at the back end of the 2012-2013 season with a hugely impressive winning run to yet again secure 4th spot despite their poor start to the season. Similarly, in 2011-2012.

Now I'm not saying they will win the PL this season, but wrong to assume they will collapse especially when that view is based upon such a demonstrable fallacy.

-- Wed Jan 15, 2014 8:49 pm --

PS

I hate lazy predictions based upon the assumption that past performance is somehow a good guide to future outcomes.

None of us knows how the season will turn out but predictions based upon the perceived relative strengths of the teams involved is likely a better guide than past performance, meaning City and Chelsea are deservedly favourites for the title.

exactly, and as you say it wasn't just once but twice we put runs like that together in the 2nd half of the season to finish 4th.

i don't think any team has shown as much consistancy as us in beating the smaller teams this season.

if we can marry that up with a couple of good results against the top sides we'll have a great chance.

i think we need to beat liverpool at anfield which won't be easy but our record is pretty good there, at least draw with city and draw with chelsea.

 

[afc16]

whilst you would have a good case for saying city have a better and stronger squad, i really don't get it about chelsea.

granted they have a trio of brilliant players (oscar/mata/hazard) but beyond that what do they have that makes them MUCH BETTER then arsenal? (don't get me wrong im not saying beyond those 3 they have nothing, they still have a very very good team and squad.

i'd say between chelsea and arsenal theres not much if hardly anything in it.

 

[davymcfc]

Very surprised arsenal haven't faded away. They are having a great season and you would have to be crazy to rule them out at this stage.

 

[Gillespie]

Very surprised arsenal haven't faded away. They are having a great season and you would have to be crazy to rule them out at this stage.

I think it's a three horse race but 2 horses are better off in the weights.

 

[stony]

Very surprised arsenal haven't faded away. They are having a great season and you would have to be crazy to rule them out at this stage.

I think it's a three horse race but 2 horses are better off in the weights.

You managers latest comments suggest he's given up already.

 

[adrianr]

whilst you would have a good case for saying city have a better and stronger squad, i really don't get it about chelsea.

granted they have a trio of brilliant players (oscar/mata/hazard) but beyond that what do they have that makes them MUCH BETTER then arsenal? (don't get me wrong im not saying beyond those 3 they have nothing, they still have a very very good team and squad.

i'd say between chelsea and arsenal theres not much if hardly anything in it.

Mourinho, obviously..

 

[Bluemoon115]

"Can't compete against a national state"

Different when the odds where stacked in your favour wasn't it Arsenhole?

Fuck him, fuck all of Arsenal, tarquin cunts.

 

[Gillespie]

"Can't compete against a national state"

Different when the odds where stacked in your favour wasn't it Arsenhole?

Fuck him, fuck all of Arsenal, tarquin cunts.

If Wenger's point was that Arsenal can't compete with City in the money stakes, surely he is right?

 

[Bluemoon115]

"Can't compete against a national state"

Different when the odds where stacked in your favour wasn't it Arsenhole?

Fuck him, fuck all of Arsenal, tarquin cunts.

If Wenger's point was that Arsenal can't compete with City in the money stakes, surely he is right?

Unprovoked and unnecessary.

It's a fucking sly dig and you know it, form a man so far up his own arse he tastes his breakfast twice.

"Arsenal doing thing the right way" after monopolizing the elite to turn football from a competition into a business, then getting annoyed that a businessman outsmarts his club.

Once again, cunts.

 

[Gillespie]

"Can't compete against a national state"

Different when the odds where stacked in your favour wasn't it Arsenhole?

Fuck him, fuck all of Arsenal, tarquin cunts.

If Wenger's point was that Arsenal can't compete with City in the money stakes, surely he is right?

Unprovoked and unnecessary.

It's a fucking sly dig and you know it, form a man so far up his own arse he tastes his breakfast twice.

"Arsenal doing thing the right way" after monopolizing the elite to turn football from a competition into a business, then getting annoyed that a businessman outsmarts his club.

Once again, cunts.

I am no apologist for Arsenal. My point was about facts, not opinion.

You ignore my words and rant against things I haven't said. Am I to be the focus of your seeming anti-Arsenal bile?

If we are to debate we must stick to the facts and have the discipline to argue against the written word and not be so sensitive to criticism thats one sees slights where none are intended.

In other words, leave prejudice and irrationality to one side.

Fact: City have the resources unmatched by any with the possible exception of Chelsea. There's nothing wrong with that. There is no superior model, as you put it. The rules allow the current situation. Success is fleeting, so enjoy the moment.

 

[Bilboblue]

If Wenger's point was that Arsenal can't compete with City in the money stakes, surely he is right?

Unprovoked and unnecessary.

It's a fucking sly dig and you know it, form a man so far up his own arse he tastes his breakfast twice.

"Arsenal doing thing the right way" after monopolizing the elite to turn football from a competition into a business, then getting annoyed that a businessman outsmarts his club.

Once again, cunts.

I am no apologist for Arsenal. My point was about facts, not opinion.

You ignore my words and rant against things I haven't said. Am I to be the focus of your seeming anti-Arsenal bile?

If we are to debate we must stick to the facts and have the discipline to argue against the written word and not be so sensitive to criticism thats one sees slights where none are intended.

In other words, leave prejudice and irrationality to one side.

Fact: City have the resources unmatched by any with the possible exception of Chelsea. There's nothing wrong with that. There is no superior model, as you put it. The rules allow the current situation. Success is fleeting, so enjoy the moment.

You paid more for Ozil than we have ever paid for a player.

Hypocrites.

 

[more lazy than useless]

I am no apologist for Arsenal. My point was about facts, not opinion.

You ignore my words and rant against things I haven't said. Am I to be the focus of your seeming anti-Arsenal bile?

If we are to debate we must stick to the facts and have the discipline to argue against the written word and not be so sensitive to criticism thats one sees slights where none are intended.

In other words, leave prejudice and irrationality to one side.

Fact: City have the resources unmatched by any with the possible exception of Chelsea. There's nothing wrong with that. There is no superior model, as you put it. The rules allow the current situation. Success is fleeting, so enjoy the moment.

Unless you're an android, there is surely a place for emotion in sport or what's the point?

I don't think his comments were aimed at you (but I don't want to speak for him) and you may have missed the point.

It is yet another bitter jibe by a man who has decided what is right and what is wrong, and that was what the reply seemed to be about. I think the inclusion of your post was just for context.

I would also disagree that our resources are 'unmatched', there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not saying that (theoretically) we don't have more money available than them, but there's far more to it than that. For example, Arsenal chose to spend their money on a new stadium (a good business decision, and a correct one if you ask me). They have also benefited enormously from being at the top of the table at the right time, when the money started rolling in etc. Also, they wanted a business like approach (to increase profit) even though it clearly advantaged themselves over other clubs, and now somebody has come along with a better business model Wenger whinges at every opportunity but can't see the irony that they deliberately tried to skew the system in their favour.

Football isn't the only thing to get discussed on here, whinging hypocrite Wenger is certainly a reasonable topic. And especially when he takes a sly swipe at our club.

 

[aguero93:20]

richest man in Russia (ushmanov) and richest family in the USA (kroenke), poor impoverished little arsenal.

 

[havelocke]

Isn't FFPR supposed to address this imbalance ;-)
He makes me laugh...

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Isn't FFPR supposed to address this imbalance ;-)
He makes me laugh...

no its not,
its to enpower the cartel back to the position of total dominance for ever

 

[City Raider]

If Wenger's point was that Arsenal can't compete with City in the money stakes, surely he is right?

Unprovoked and unnecessary.

It's a fucking sly dig and you know it, form a man so far up his own arse he tastes his breakfast twice.

"Arsenal doing thing the right way" after monopolizing the elite to turn football from a competition into a business, then getting annoyed that a businessman outsmarts his club.

Once again, *****.

I am no apologist for Arsenal. My point was about facts, not opinion.

You ignore my words and rant against things I haven't said. Am I to be the focus of your seeming anti-Arsenal bile?

If we are to debate we must stick to the facts and have the discipline to argue against the written word and not be so sensitive to criticism thats one sees slights where none are intended.

In other words, leave prejudice and irrationality to one side.

Fact: City have the resources unmatched by any with the possible exception of Chelsea. There's nothing wrong with that. There is no superior model, as you put it. The rules allow the current situation. Success is fleeting, so enjoy the moment.

Hopefully ours won't be just a moment as our owner doesn't seem the type to lie to the fans about how investing in a new stadium won't affect buying new players. That seemed to bring an end to your 'moment'.

 

[Bluemoon115]

I am no apologist for Arsenal. My point was about facts, not opinion.

You ignore my words and rant against things I haven't said. Am I to be the focus of your seeming anti-Arsenal bile?

If we are to debate we must stick to the facts and have the discipline to argue against the written word and not be so sensitive to criticism thats one sees slights where none are intended.

In other words, leave prejudice and irrationality to one side.

Fact: City have the resources unmatched by any with the possible exception of Chelsea. There's nothing wrong with that. There is no superior model, as you put it. The rules allow the current situation. Success is fleeting, so enjoy the moment.

Unless you're an android, there is surely a place for emotion in sport or what's the point?

I don't think his comments were aimed at you (but I don't want to speak for him) and you may have missed the point.

It is yet another bitter jibe by a man who has decided what is right and what is wrong, and that was what the reply seemed to be about. I think the inclusion of your post was just for context.

I would also disagree that our resources are 'unmatched', there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not saying that (theoretically) we don't have more money available than them, but there's far more to it than that. For example, Arsenal chose to spend their money on a new stadium (a good business decision, and a correct one if you ask me). They have also benefited enormously from being at the top of the table at the right time, when the money started rolling in etc. Also, they wanted a business like approach (to increase profit) even though it clearly advantaged themselves over other clubs, and now somebody has come along with a better business model Wenger whinges at every opportunity but can't see the irony that they deliberately tried to skew the system in their favour.

Football isn't the only thing to get discussed on here, whinging hypocrite Wenger is certainly a reasonable topic. And especially when he takes a sly swipe at our club.

Posts like that, you feel free to speak for me whenever you like ;)

The rant was a result of having a few, but the point stands. Once again, it's one of Arsenal's stakeholders having a cheap pop at us to distract from their own flaws.

Most expensive tickets, booing your own players, boardroom squabbles and a consistent twee self promotion.

And that's the right way? Thank fuck we do it the wrong way.