Atmosphere - 2023/24

[cityutopia]

Back of 314 / 315 were singing that stone roses song for 10 minutes straight and still the rest of the stand couldn't be arsed to join in. It's not a tourist issue it's a CBA issue

 

[jrb]

As for the tourists and day trippers, I don't have a problem with them. They are either (new) City fans or they aren't City fans but want to watch City play, and to see players like Haaland play. I'm sure the majority of them do support City in one way or another during the match without actually knowing the words to certain chants or not joining in with the singing.

 

[jrb]

Back of 314 / 315 were singing that stone roses song for 10 minutes straight and still the rest of the stand couldn't be arsed to join in. It's not a tourist issue it's a CBA issue

We can't hear you on SSL1. It's the acoustic issue of the ground. I'm sure if we could hear you we'd join in with you.

 

[PPT]

2013.

The former Barcelona supremo wants the club to play on its ties to the city’s culture and heritage as part of its quest to become “one of the most successful and sustainable football clubs in the world.”

And Soriano says that when seeking to raise City’s profile around the world, it is vital the club emphasises its Manchester roots. He said: “As we grow, the unique identity of Manchester must remain at the heart of our communication with potential supporters around the world.

“Football remains one of the few fields in which it is possible to be local and global at the same time. In fact, people demand it.

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As he turfs life long blues out of their seats so he can get more corporates in. Just fuck off Soriano!

 

[give it to gordon]

You sound a right FOC...football has changed, the world has changed, yes we won the treble, we have new fans, great!! Stop fucking moaning !!!

Yep I fell like a FOC, perhaps its getting to the stage were going to matches are getting to much, both physically mentally and cost.

12 hours in the car kills my back, the early start and late finish knackers me for days. Than I'm watching a boring training game with the away side killing the game.

Why was the atmosphere shit ? Well palace did nothing to make it a game. City were also boring, there real was nothing to get the fans going.
VAR took 3 hours to decide Jack was on side, than took ages on ever City goal. VAR took less than 1 sec to decide palace goal and penalty.

So I agree with you football has changed. I miss the characters in the game, I miss celebrating a goal as we looked at the linesman flag. I miss being around 100% City fans ( sat next to a Sheffield utd yesterday ).
I hate having to let people pass to leave early, I'm trying to watch the fucking game, dont have this problem in the cinema.

Perhaps live football isnt for me anymore was lucking to be in the SS for the villa 3-2 even at 2 down it felt and sounded great.

Anyway on the M6 now heading back to ramsgate had to stop over as the 4am start for the pitch tour and legends lounge treat.

Rant over CTID :)

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Better than sat there arms folded, no singing, no shouting...???

Well we certainly cannot applaud if we all had phones the equivalent of an iron lung in modern society in our mits

 

[jrb]

As he turfs life long blues out of their seats so he can get more corporates in. Just fuck off Soriano!

TBF to Soriano, his remit from Khaldoon is to drive match day revenue. Soriano has made no secret of that.

The aim has always been to get City's match day revenue as close as possible to United's, Liverpool's, Arsenal's, and Chelsea's match day revenue. And now Spurs match day revenue with their brand new stadium.

To do that, Soriano, with the blessing of Khaldoon, has signed off season ticket and match day ticket price rises for the past 11 seasons. I think there was a price freeze for 1 season? Soriano has signed off numerous new corporate and hospitality sections around the ground and off-site. Currently there is a choice of 30 packages and venues. https://www.mancity.com/hospitality/mens

Soriano will rightly point out and argue that City are a very well run club. City currently boast the highest annual revenues in world football. The team is the most successful on the pitch.(after doing the treble) In that aspect Soriano is a good CEO. He is doing a good job. Results on and off the pitch prove that.

 

[LEXSTARproject]

There is a simple solution to all the problems regarding the atmosphere in the ground, a majority of clubs in the world have home ends we don't this is the club's fault, we have Kippax Corner and the South Stand we need one stand that is only home fans only and built to be city's answer to The Kop, Yellow Wall etc but we not going to get this if the club decide to shove a corporate area in the new North Stand. The club is it's own worst empty we have the manager coming out asking for a better atmosphere but have Danny Wilson and his department going the opposite way.

The club need to make the whole new North Stand safe-standing except for the Sky Bar, so copying the Yellow Wall in Dortmund, we need to copy what LAFC has done and set up one group that brings all supporters groups together under one organisation then put them all in the new North Stand, LAFC have done this under 3252

The 3252

the3252.net

1894 does an amazing job, but it's set up like a closed book, just watch Big Steve rant about the Liverpool game about this.





We all have to introduce the supporters' section with drums and capo stands, this helps get the crowd going, look at what people are saying above about being a boring game yesterday.



If saw yesterday online Ipswich have ultra fans, Arsenal have ultra fans all the teams in the SPL have ultra fans, and all the MLS teams have ultra fans

But for whatever reason, there seems to be a NO we can't have someone banging a drum or using a megaphone to get the crowd going as that is NO NO in the EPL, but we had our manager come out on multiple occasions asking for this

Here is a documentary about their fans and also a documentary about a West Ham fan who has given on EPL because of the lack of atmosphere

-Crystal Palace

-West Ham fan gives up on the EPL

We all need to sort out the pricing as well

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

 

[uwerosler28]

There is a simple solution to all the problems regarding the atmosphere in the ground, a majority of clubs in the world have home ends we don't this is the club's fault, we have Kippax Corner and the South Stand we need one stand that is only home fans only and built to be city's answer to The Kop, Yellow Wall etc but we not going to get this if the club decide to shove a corporate area in the new North Stand. The club is it's own worst empty we have the manager coming out asking for a better atmosphere but have Danny Wilson and his department going the opposite way.

The club need to make the whole new North Stand safe-standing except for the Sky Bar, so copying the Yellow Wall in Dortmund, we need to copy what LAFC has done and set up one group that brings all supporters groups together under one organisation then put them all in the new North Stand, LAFC have done this under 3252

The 3252

the3252.net

1894 does an amazing job, but it's set up like a closed book, just watch Big Steve rant about the Liverpool game about this.





We all have to introduce the supporters' section with drums and capo stands, this helps get the crowd going, look at what people are saying above about being a boring game yesterday.



If saw yesterday online Ipswich have ultra fans, Arsenal have ultra fans all the teams in the SPL have ultra fans, and all the MLS teams have ultra fans

But for whatever reason, there seems to be a NO we can't have someone banging a drum or using a megaphone to get the crowd going as that is NO NO in the EPL, but we had our manager come out on multiple occasions asking for this

Here is a documentary about their fans and also a documentary about a West Ham fan who has given on EPL because of the lack of atmosphere

-Crystal Palace

-West Ham fan gives up on the EPL

We all need to sort out the pricing as well

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music that you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

You mean like the 3 stands we have now that are home fans only?

 

[PPT]

TBF to Soriano, his remit from Khaldoon is to drive match day revenue. Soriano has made no secret of that.

The aim has always been to get City's match day revenue as close as possible to United's, Liverpool's, Arsenal's, and Chelsea's match day revenue. And now Spurs match day revenue with their brand new stadium.

To do that, Soriano, with the blessing of Khaldoon, has signed off season ticket and match day ticket price rises for the past 11 seasons. I think there was a price freeze for 1 season? Soriano has signed off numerous new corporate and hospitality sections around the ground and off-site. Currently there is a choice of 30 packages and venues. https://www.mancity.com/hospitality/mens

Soriano will rightly point out and argue that City are a very well run club. City currently boast the highest annual revenues in world football. The team is the most successful on the pitch.(after doing the treble) In that aspect Soriano is a good CEO. He is doing a good job. Results on and off the pitch prove that.

So how does that equate to 'The former Barcelona supremo wants the club to play on its ties to the city’s culture and heritage'? It's just more corporate bullshit. They don't give a flying fuck about the fans. It's all about the money as you have articulated above,

 

[Jazzyblue]

Nailed it mate...its not tourists it's the "silent majority" at the Etihad, long standing City fans who sit there like it's a fucking morgue !!! HELLO !!! Wake the fuck UP !!!!!

Have to agree. Yesterday was the worst all season. I'm not even talking about singing here, I'm talking about a lack of noise, of emotion even - a stubborn, arms folded refusal to get behind the lads. People talking about what they were going to have for tea, one bloke near me spent the entire match looking towards the east stand and not the pitch and was looking around at me when I was shouting and singing as if I was weird. But worst of all was the people scrolling through pet and holiday pictures on their phone. Really? Unbelievable. Put the thing away for five minutes will you!

At some points I half expected to hear an orchestra start tuning up there was that much silence and random murmuring. I was in a different place from where I'm usually sat and wouldn't ever want to go back to that section of the NS again. Me and the kids dubbed it the 'sleeping section'.

And there wasn't a tourist in sight around me. It was ST holders taking it for granted, sitting back and waiting to be entertained, holding onto their seat for dear life but not sure if they're still enjoying it or if they're really after a quiet place to catch up with cousins and in-laws. I felt sorry for SS1 trying to hold it down on their own. Usually you get a few people who are game in the NS and the East Stand but yesterday was poor - we deserved Palace saying 'We forgot that you were here'.

 

[jrb]

So how does that equate to 'The former Barcelona supremo wants the club to play on its ties to the city’s culture and heritage'? It's just more corporate bullshit. They don't give a flying fuck about the fans. It's all about the money as you have articulated above,

If you remember back to when Sheikh Mansour first bought City that was one of the opening gambits from Khalddon speaking on behalf of Sheikh Mansour. They both promised to put City’s loyal fan base first and foremost, point out our loyal support for the club, and how important we are to the club. Obviously over time priorities change and that has fallen by the wayside somewhat.(being kind) But as I keep on saying, Sheikh Mansour, Khalddon and Soriano can and will rightly say they have delivered on and off the pitch. Trophies, huge investment in managers, players, the stadium, the CFA, in the local area, investing £100’s of millions, creating 1000’s of new jobs, etc.

 

[Jazzyblue]

Because Soriano & Co are filling the Etihad full of tourists, day trippers, new, and casual City fans who have no emotional attachment to the club, as well as regular City fans who want to beat the traffic to get home early.

Sad to say, having sat all over the ground over the years, I think we've got a lot of people who have got an emotional attachment to their seat, but feel no obligation to vocally support or see the game out. The 30k plus ST holders and the thousands of non-ST holding loyal/local shouldn't be shocked into a silence because there's a German guy behind them or a Chinese student, or an eight-year-old next to their long-standing group of friends, family and matchday acquaintances. They should be showing them how it's done, but in large sections of the ground, they won't. They sit there in silence, they gossip, mutter, flick through their phones, sing under their breath - after about 70mins - and then leave on the 75th. If anyone around them is shouting they look at them like they've farted in a lift. The club's policies don't always help, but the relatively small proportion of non-regulars are a convenient scapegoat for a fanbase that is overwhelmingly, local, mature, and has been going for so long it's become a quiet ritual. We have SS1 and a few noisy, but isolated pockets and a lot of snoozers and shy folk.

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

Sad to say, having sat all over the ground over the years, I think we've got a lot of people who have got an emotional attachment to their seat, but feel no obligation to vocally support or see the game out. The 30k plus ST holders and the thousands of non-ST holding loyal/local shouldn't be shocked into a silence because there's a German guy behind them or a Chinese student, or an eight-year-old next to their long-standing group of friends, family and matchday acquaintances. They should be showing them how it's done, but in large sections of the ground, they won't. They sit there in silence, they gossip, mutter, flick through their phones, sing under their breath - after about 70mins - and then leave on the 75th. If anyone around them is shouting they look at them like they've farted in a lift. The club's policies don't always help, but the relatively small proportion of non-regulars are a convenient scapegoat for a fanbase that is overwhelmingly, local, mature, and has been going for so long it's become a quiet ritual. We have SS1 and a few noisy, but isolated pockets and a lot of snoozers and shy folk.

Fully agree with this.

I've moved around and it's all the same. So many fans who are too lazy or embarrassed to get involved. So many fans who are old and shout 'sit down!' every 10 minutes.

So few fans who join in with chants and add to the atmosphere. They probably make more noise watching matches on Sky in their living room.

 

[jrb]

Sad to say, having sat all over the ground over the years, I think we've got a lot of people who have got an emotional attachment to their seat, but feel no obligation to vocally support or see the game out. The 30k plus ST holders and the thousands of non-ST holding loyal/local shouldn't be shocked into a silence because there's a German guy behind them or a Chinese student, or an eight-year-old next to their long-standing group of friends, family and matchday acquaintances. They should be showing them how it's done, but in large sections of the ground, they won't. They sit there in silence, they gossip, mutter, flick through their phones, sing under their breath - after about 70mins - and then leave on the 75th. If anyone around them is shouting they look at them like they've farted in a lift. The club's policies don't always help, but the relatively small proportion of non-regulars are a convenient scapegoat for a fanbase that is overwhelmingly, local, mature, and has been going for so long it's become a quiet ritual. We have SS1 and a few noisy, but isolated pockets and a lot of snoozers and shy folk.

I wasn’t having a go at the tourists and day trippers. Due to the teams success, the players City have signed, Haaland being the prime example, etc, our new support, as well as tourists and day trippers have inadvertently changed the make up and demographics of our match day going support. Add to that all the new corporate and hospitality ares, now numbering 30 (on and off site), which have also had an impact on our match day support. But as you and others have rightly pointed out, there are still enough local, legacy fans, season ticket holders, etc, to support the team and to create an atmosphere during the match. For some reason, as a fan base, we’ve stopped doing that.

 

[MCFC Wirral]

It’s similar to your old local pub being taken over, tarted up and becoming a bistro knocking out roast dinners for £25. The clientele will change and most of the old regulars are up the road elsewhere. Sadly this isn’t really possible with football!

What’s happened to City is a consequence of extreme success.

 

[Edghill OG]

Have to agree. Yesterday was the worst all season. I'm not even talking about singing here, I'm talking about a lack of noise, of emotion even - a stubborn, arms folded refusal to get behind the lads. People talking about what they were going to have for tea, one bloke near me spent the entire match looking towards the east stand and not the pitch and was looking around at me when I was shouting and singing as if I was weird. But worst of all was the people scrolling through pet and holiday pictures on their phone. Really? Unbelievable. Put the thing away for five minutes will you!

At some points I half expected to hear an orchestra start tuning up there was that much silence and random murmuring. I was in a different place from where I'm usually sat and wouldn't ever want to go back to that section of the NS again. Me and the kids dubbed it the 'sleeping section'.

And there wasn't a tourist in sight around me. It was ST holders taking it for granted, sitting back and waiting to be entertained, holding onto their seat for dear life but not sure if they're still enjoying it or if they're really after a quiet place to catch up with cousins and in-laws. I felt sorry for SS1 trying to hold it down on their own. Usually you get a few people who are game in the NS and the East Stand but yesterday was poor - we deserved Palace saying 'We forgot that you were here'.

I actually thought it was a bit better yesterday. I've spent some games in Colin Bell and was back in South Stand yesterday though so I guess it's all relative. I really do dislike it in CB3, nobody makes any noise and you're the odd one out if you do. Seems like it's like that in other areas of the ground too. They do appear to get a lot of tourists, schools etc there but as has been stated there's enough season ticket holders to still make some noise. There just seems to be a general apathy amongst some or a lot of ST holders. Like you say I'm not sure they particularly enjoy going and just do it as it's in their routine and something they've always done. It's almost become a chore.

My memories of Maine Road are a bit cloudy now and I'm sure they are for others too. I do think it was generally better back then and I imagine most clubs would say the same. We've always been quite self-deprecating as a fanbase and that was what made us who we were. We weren't under the microscope back then though and nobody was focussing on our atmosphere or empty seats. Just plucky City in the 3rd tier getting crowds of 30k.There wasn't social media constantly ridiculing us, rival fans and pundits jealousy over our dominance in the past decade or so and using any opportunity to knock us. Forums such as this didn't exist either where some of those contributing to this thread may not get involved themselves at the game or even attend at all. The point I'm trying to make is we can knock ourselves but understandably take it personally when others do. Maine Road could be a great atmosphere- as can the Etihad on it's day- but it wasn't always like that.

 

[Jazzyblue]

I wasn’t having a go at the tourists and day trippers. Due to the teams success, the players City have signed, Haaland being the prime example, etc, our new support, as well as tourists and day trippers have inadvertently changed the make up and demographics of our match day going support. Add to that all the new corporate and hospitality ares, now numbering 30 (on and off site), which have also had an impact on our match day support. But as you and others have rightly pointed out, there are still enough local, legacy fans, season ticket holders, etc, to support the team and to create an atmosphere during the match. For some reason, as a fan base, we’ve stopped doing that.

Yes jrb, I think success feeds complacency across the board. And after the drama of the Treble and the charges and a season where the atmos really picked up, this season feels a bit like a hangover. There's every chance the this run of form will continue out of Christmas out of pure fatigue - and that the penny will drop that if we want four in a row, we will have to be the twelfth man again.

 

[mancityvstoke]

The "take yer phone and fuck off home" chant was funny

 

[Jazzyblue]

I actually thought it was a bit better yesterday. I've spent some games in Colin Bell and was back in South Stand yesterday though so I guess it's all relative. I really do dislike it in CB3, nobody makes any noise and you're the odd one out if you do. Seems like it's like that in other areas of the ground too. They do appear to get a lot of tourists, schools etc there but as has been stated there's enough season ticket holders to still make some noise. There just seems to be a general apathy amongst some or a lot of ST holders. Like you say I'm not sure they particularly enjoy going and just do it as it's in their routine and something they've always done. It's almost become a chore.

My memories of Maine Road are a bit cloudy now and I'm sure they are for others too. I do think it was generally better back then and I imagine most clubs would say the same. We've always been quite self-deprecating as a fanbase and that was what made us who we were. We weren't under the microscope back then though and nobody was focussing on our atmosphere or empty seats. Just plucky City in the 3rd tier getting crowds of 30k.There wasn't social media constantly ridiculing us, rival fans and pundits jealousy over our dominance in the past decade or so and using any opportunity to knock us. Forums such as this didn't exist either where some of those contributing to this thread may not get involved themselves at the game or even attend at all. The point I'm trying to make is we can knock ourselves but understandably take it personally when others do. Maine Road could be a great atmosphere- as can the Etihad on it's day- but it wasn't always like that.

I thought SS held their own yesterday. And I agree with you about Maine Road - to be honest there was always a lot of schools even back then, my first match was a school trip and a lot of those kids will end up being future legacy/loyal/FOCs (!). The saving grace is that these flat atmospheres are not unique to us. Even the places that get touted as having the most 'pashun' - your Anfields, Goddisons, St James Parks...they all have their torpor. Palace with their famous Ultras...they weren't great yesterday.