Very encouraging, where's this from mate?
Atmosphere 2024/25
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It's part of the planning application for the North Stand (from the Design and Access Statement).
The roof design for the South Stand was a similar logic, albeit without the extra walls to help keep noise in. But we ended up with a singing section at the bottom of the stand making no use of it.
For anyone who has been to away games, you know the good grounds and the bad grounds for acoustics. It's basics to get singers grouped under the roof, it's what keeps the noise in the ground and it's what the majority of fans around the ground can hear.
We'd make an absolute racket with the right groups in the new NS. It's whether the club support that idea with attractive pricing and incentives. But the vocal support spending pre-match in City Square, getting the atmosphere building and then going into a huge single tier would be a game changer for the atmosphere in the ground.
Agree. Going off how vocal my 'flexi' section of the ground was on Saturday I think there's pent up demand from passionate Blues - who've been locked out of season tickets since Covid - that could work wonders in that stand. The key is not to price people out or go silly with the amount and location of seats given over to hospitality. We will need the energy of new and returning season ticket holders in the new stand as well as existing ones, because inevitably some singers won't want to move if they're happy where they are.
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That's why I get frustrated when people just deny that acoustics have anything to do with it.
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There are always games the fans aren't up for, or where things are a bit flat but you cannot argue that the Etihad just doesn't have the right configuration at the moment. When the whole of SSL3 has away fans in it, it's loud - because of the roof. And the NS as per the page you attached, is even better in terms of acoustics.
I never said the stadium configuration is the decisive factor. You're putting words into my post. It isn't the decisive factor. There are numerous factors why our vocal support is poor at times. And good at other times. The decisive factor is people not singing. Not the configuration of the stadium, etc
The stand configurations does have an impact on the atmosphere. I know SSL3 is singing, but I can't hear it as I'm stood almost under the concrete overhang on SSL1. This issue has been discussed at length on this thread, and most people think the Etihad stand layouts and design, concrete overhangs, shallow tiers, a high roof, etc, impact on the atmosphere.
You're the one who posted.....
Time and again, game after game, my brother and I wonder where the fuck is our singing section?
Meaning our singing section/SSL1 isn't audible, you can't hear it, it doesn't singing enough, etc? I beg to differ and I always will.
SSL1 was very vocal on Sunday. Along with 111, 110, 109, and the rest of ESL1 at times. SSL3 was probably vocal as well, but where I stand I can't hear it. On Sunday when all the Etihad joined in the singing it was very loud. Ask any Arsenal fan stood in the SSL1 away end.
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I don’t wholly buy the acoustics argument.
We have a much bigger section of the south stand with the same configuration as that of the away fans yet in many games they are much noisier. The only explanation for that is that more of them are singing.
This can’t be true of level 1 as most of the fans there sing plenty so logic dictates that it’s down to SSL3 to up their game.
We have a much bigger section of the south stand with the same configuration as that of the away fans yet in many games they are much noisier. The only explanation for that is that more of them are singing.
This can’t be true of level 1 as most of the fans there sing plenty so logic dictates that it’s down to SSL3 to up their game.
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Perhaps not having a rememberance service before kick off would help.
EastMidlandsBlue
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I will say I think most away fans struggle being split over 3 tiers, I thought arse were the best we've had in a while.
For us I don't think it helps that SS2 contains a hospitality section, which completely splits the 2 section up.
That's the excitement of NS2 being 1 large tier though
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You need people making noise in the first place so yes you're quite right in that regard, they can definitely do more. But if you took 3,000 people singing in SSL1 and moved them under the roof in SSL3 the noise would be heard around the ground more. And apologies for repeating this, the NS is going to be even better in terms of acoustics.
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One condition to add: No leaving early...
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Would they move though ? Many of the singers in SSL1 are also posturers.
You can’t posture at away fans from a range of 150 yards
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I think you'd get some moving. If the pricing is right then you might attract a big enough group of people keen to go and make some noise. We make a racket away from home, there are lots of young lads who want to go and have a few beers and a sing song, maybe they'd be incentivised to go to a single tiered stand alongside 7000 other blues and make some noise.
Most people seem sceptical about the configuration with the hospitality in there, even if it is bog basic GA+. But the whole design is to have tifo's hanging from the roof, there's the flexibility to make it safe standing....it feels like the club want it to be atmospheric. Will all come down to pricing really. If 1894 get on board with it maybe they'll unlock it.
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Whilst you might not get everyone moving, I think there's many singers all around the ground who don't sing because of the section they sit in, but would if they were in a more vocal section.
I think plenty of singers will move there, and even if they don't in the first season many will move when they see how much louder it is
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To be fair other than the two blocks either side of the away fans, most people in the south stand aren’t posturing towards the away fans.
Ss3 most of the chants are nothing to do with the away fans either. Ideally you’d keep what we have now and also have a proper home end in the north stand.
We have more than enough fans to make that happen.
Ideally, away fans should never be seen on cameras. It’s like good marketing of the away fans/club by the home team, especially when it’s a proper limbs situation.
Ideally, when we moved into the CoMS in 2003, the away fans could have been put in 127-132, split by the big gap in that corner. Dugouts swapped the other way round so the away fans were beside their away bench. Away coaches could have been in that tunnel under the stadium and all the way round the underpass bit and the little road by the athletics stadium.
Would have been a good spot for them to be in now, with the new North Stand being built because we could have a proper home end at the North Stand end with a giant tier as well as having the away fans nearby for anyone who loved the banter with them.
That opportunity was missed decades ago now and they’re never going to be moved there now with Tunnel Club next to it, but that’s where they should have gone originally.
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GOULDYBOBS
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Thought the FC Twente fans were alright. There was a back and forth between two different groups, some in Colin Bell and another in SS. Bit confused, the city fans in SS chanted "who the fuckin hell are you?"
Next thing we are all clapping "if you all hate Untied"
Next thing we are all clapping "if you all hate Untied"