How the Fu*k are they suposed to do that .? that is why they send out surveys & invite people who can give some feed back Ric is not a piddling representative & certainly does no tthink he speaks for us that is why he put this thread on .some people are just ungratefullJoeMercer'sWay said:no offence but the club needs to discuss all this with US, the fans, and not piddling representatives who think they speak for the majority.
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no offence but the club needs to discuss all this with US, the fans, and not piddling representatives who think they speak for the majority.
Well saidBrianW said:I don't think there's a hope in hell of significantly improving the atmosphere.
1. Huge chunks of the stadium are given over to corporates, who might as well be stiffs for all the noise they generate. Like the old Main Stand at Maine Road, only more so.
2. High prices keep out many of the traditional 'lads' and if/when they do go they are split up into small pockets by the reserved seating arrangements. Yes, OK, there is the odd cheap game, but when the habit is lost people tend not to go at all.
3. The attitude of the stewards and many of the crowd to anyone who gets 'excited'. Many people swear when they get emotional. I know in an ideal world they shouldn't but they do. The 'policing' of the stands, for want of a better word, means that some don't go and others stay quiet.
I don't see any of these factors changing, ever. It's the price the game has paid for turning football into something more like ballet or theatre, designed for the well-heeled middle classes and 'families'. City now clearly favour the corporate and family sectors, and other fans are only allowed in as long as they don't upset these groups, and as long as there's still room in the ground not needed for them. The reason is money. The corporates and families spend most.
WNRH said:After today, this thread is a waste of 23 pages and the meeting was a waste of time.
Fans like me can moan all they like about what needs to be changed but whats the point? You can ask for a full end where we can all sing, you can ask for the bars in the ground to be open earlier and sell affordable beer, you can ask the club to relax their rules about flags and banners in the ground but all that doesn't make an atmosphere, it's the fans in the ground who open their mouths that make the atmopshere and today apart from the first 10 mins when there was a bit of banter between both the SS and the east stand and there was a bit on singing all as one, it was one of the most quietest and flatest atmospheres i have ever been involved in.
For the big games, the atmopshere will always be there as we have all seen in the past but what is the point in asking and moaning at the club to change things and lambast them for not getting anything right when we as fans don't have anything to prove to them why making these big changes would work.
Don't give me all that crap about it was quiet because there were a few hundred fulham fans, if you really beleive that then we have such a poor support at home and also if you complain that it was a flat game on the pitch then that is yet another piss poor excuse, it works both ways, the players at times needed some help from the stands, infact that is what we all paying alot of money for, we pay £40 a game to support the lads and the fact is that there was none of that today at all which is sad for the position we are in.
So this will be my last ever contribution to the matter, it's a losing battle and i have come to accept that it will never get any better, i just hope that there are lads out there who will continue to improve things and they have my upmost and deepest respect for fighting for something which i now consider a losing battle.
CTID
yes, take the seats out. solve two problems at once. Larger and noisier stadium. If only we couldgreeny-ctid said:how about a new kippax ??
Soulboy said:WNRH said:After today, this thread is a waste of 23 pages and the meeting was a waste of time.
Fans like me can moan all they like about what needs to be changed but whats the point? You can ask for a full end where we can all sing, you can ask for the bars in the ground to be open earlier and sell affordable beer, you can ask the club to relax their rules about flags and banners in the ground but all that doesn't make an atmosphere, it's the fans in the ground who open their mouths that make the atmopshere and today apart from the first 10 mins when there was a bit of banter between both the SS and the east stand and there was a bit on singing all as one, it was one of the most quietest and flatest atmospheres i have ever been involved in.
For the big games, the atmopshere will always be there as we have all seen in the past but what is the point in asking and moaning at the club to change things and lambast them for not getting anything right when we as fans don't have anything to prove to them why making these big changes would work.
Don't give me all that crap about it was quiet because there were a few hundred fulham fans, if you really beleive that then we have such a poor support at home and also if you complain that it was a flat game on the pitch then that is yet another piss poor excuse, it works both ways, the players at times needed some help from the stands, infact that is what we all paying alot of money for, we pay £40 a game to support the lads and the fact is that there was none of that today at all which is sad for the position we are in.
So this will be my last ever contribution to the matter, it's a losing battle and i have come to accept that it will never get any better, i just hope that there are lads out there who will continue to improve things and they have my upmost and deepest respect for fighting for something which i now consider a losing battle.
CTID
It's the game that makes an atmosphere.
Trust me, Maine Road was also quiet, but on certain days it could blow you away with the noise and the passion.
Our current stadium can be the same, and has on occasions in the past... but when yoiu are semi-comatose watching players stroll around for the bulk of a game, it's difficult to generate excitement.
It's the players job to get us up for it, not the other way round.
WNRH said:Soulboy said:It's the game that makes an atmosphere.
Trust me, Maine Road was also quiet, but on certain days it could blow you away with the noise and the passion.
Our current stadium can be the same, and has on occasions in the past... but when yoiu are semi-comatose watching players stroll around for the bulk of a game, it's difficult to generate excitement.
It's the players job to get us up for it, not the other way round.
I can understand that a little to a certain extent but to me IMO it is a piss poor excuse. If that is the case then i was right in saying the meeting and this thread was a waste of time as clearly the atmosphere for the big games is ok.