Autophagy (and fasting).

[I'm With Stupid]

You responded to my post 24 minutes after mine so you've obviously spent that time researching 'Dr Nick' and quickly deducing him as a charaltan instead of watching and listening to what he had to say.

You do you mate. As I say, it doesn't mean that what he's saying is wrong, I'm just suspicious of anyone who calls themselves a doctor and when you look them up it turns out they're not a medical doctor and has a range of supplements for sale. But good luck with everything.

Someone I think you might be interested in if you're into more preventative and diet-based measures is Dr. Karan. He's a surgeon for the NHS, but he does a lot of videos about gut health, ultra processed foods, and increasing fibre. Nothing specifically on diabetes though, because he stays in his lane, but he does sometimes interview experts in other areas of health and medicine, so perhaps that'll be an area he looks at in the future.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

The reason I enjoyed watching what Dr Nick had to say is he says it in an understandable makes sense way unlike this guy who's excellent but some of the medical terminology he speaks is beyond my knowledge. And he is a heart surgeon who knows what he's on about.

 

[Bigga]

You responded to my post 24 minutes after mine so you've obviously spent that time researching 'Dr Nick' and quickly deducing him as a charaltan instead of watching and listening to what he had to say. I have binged watched lots of fasting and nutrition and supplement advice on this subject and I'm learning fast on how the body works and I'm particularly interested in lowering my blood sugar to safe levels without ongoing prescription medication that I'll probably need more of if i don't sort my diet and lifestyle out myself.

And in time i will be no longer on type 2 medication and on an anti depressant, mark my words; )

I don't want to be another guinea pig for my GP to try out medication on me because he has a vested interest in pharmaceutical companies he gets a bung from for plying us full of drugs, some of which do more harm than good.

Fuck that! Mother nature provides most nutrients and vitamins in food and herbs which our forefathers used to consume without knowing the beneficial properties of what certain foods contained. And good old herbal remedies like using dandelion and burdock in a blood tonic donkeys years before it first became a carbonated pop. I know that because my dad used to get me to go to Harrops chemist in Ashton for a bottle.

Most Governments of the world want the masses to carry on eating sugary ultra processed junk food because there's fuckin' multi billions to be made from chronic heart disease kidney failure type 1 and 2 diabetes plus many other life shortening diseases. Many good healthy foods are expensive for a reason!

They tell us to eat plenty of fresh salmon but only the wealthy can afford the good stuff. They advertise fresh Scottish salmon as a super food packed 'dull' of goodness. Is is fuck its full of toxins and harmful chemicals and nasties from eating only high protein pellets in polluted water to fatten them up as soon as possible. All those nasties they eat we absorb when we eat! I wouldn't eat that shit for free.

Fatality rates particularly from cancer and heart and liver disease have never been as high and will only get higher because of all the junk we constantly feed our faces with.

Butter was frowned upon for many years as being a bad fat. It's been proven not to be but I've always eaten because it tastes great and a natural product unlike shite like margarine and I can't believe it's not butter type spreads. I can because it's fuckin' not butter and never will be.

Most South Asians have used ghee(clarified butter) for thousands of years until they were hoodwinked into using vegetable oil, why? Well probably because they thought it a healthy oil that was cheap. And it's since been proven that ghee is healthy and vegetable has fast become a very unhealthy oil that is a major cause of cancer and heart problems. Cancer was very rare before the use of ghee so another continent has sucummed to westernised foods. American type fast food and all the nasties they contain and are cooked with.

I believe in eating beneficial healthy foods with regular excersise and intermittent fasting is the way forward but not many medical experts will tell you the truth of losing weight by starving bad gut health, detoxifying our organs, ketosis, lipolysis autophagy, and best of all insulin control collagen and new stem cell growth after 36 hours of a water only (electrolytes and fresh lemon juice allowed) because they want us to stay a pharmasutical drugs guinea pig till you and I pop our clogs!

You are indeed what you eat as they say.

Famine or feast? Only you can decide what's best for you...

Fasting works. I restarted my fasting routine, last week, and after the initial spikes and troughs of readings, my bloods are regulating within the accepted zone.

I started at 16 hrs fast, but now can easily do 22 hours if I want to. I don't, currently feel the need to binge either. I'm not even in the space to do the exercise needed and my bloods are at a steady level throughout the day until I eat, but my insulin injection immediately brings it back to where it should be and I used to struggle with that.

Do you have a Libre 2 sensor? If not, get one. You'll manage your bloods even better.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Fasting works. I restarted my fasting routine, last week, and after the initial spikes and troughs of readings, my bloods are regulating within the accepted zone.

I started at 16 hrs fast, but now can easily do 22 hours if I want to. I don't, currently feel the need to binge either. I'm not even in the space to do the exercise needed and my bloods are at a steady level throughout the day until I eat, but my insulin injection immediately brings it back to where it should be and I used to struggle with that.

Do you have a Libre 2 sensor? If not, get one. You'll manage your bloods even better.

That's good to know IF works for you. I take it you're type one?

Doctor prescribed me a Glucofix Tech GK monitor and i also have another I bought from Argos a few weeks ago. I'm not well up on it yet but I'm taking tests in the morning before food.

 

[chesterbells]

I have usually found that people who stay too thin as they get older end up looking like a battered school satchel, and I am not sure how being that thin is healthy because if you catch a bit of flu or an illness it'll eat you away faster.

EDIT I AM NOT A DOCTOR OR PHYSICIAN IF YOU LISTEN TO ME YOU'RE OFF YOUR HEAD.

Pmsl

Edit. Agree with you about losing too much weight as you get older. Not a good look imho.

 

[Marklr]

I have no appetite all day until i smoke some weed around 5pm.

 

[Bigga]

That's good to know IF works for you. I take it you're type one?

Doctor prescribed me a Glucofix Tech GK monitor and i also have another I bought from Argos a few weeks ago. I'm not well up on it yet but I'm taking tests in the morning before food.

No, I'm type 2. Metformin just doesn't work for me.

You don't need to buy any monitors, you're a diabetic and eligible for digital testing. The Libre attaches to your arm via a fine needle and it bluetooths your blood readings to your phone 24/ 7.

It's worth it.

 

[somapop]

All I would say it that a study came out recently of 19000 people, which is a pretty large sample size.



No evidence of increased mortality overall though, so it looks like a case of pick your poison.

It may be a case, of course, that it's helpful for a specific health issue like diabetes, but personally I'd try and get an appointment with a dietician for that sort of thing rather than relying on Youtube experts.

Also make sure you do your research on who you listen to. This guy presents himself as Dr. Nick Zyrowski, but a quick look suggests he owns a company selling supplements. A further bit of digging shows that he worked for 10 years as a chiropractor, and his education was a Life University, who claim to be a 'leading chiropractic and holistic health' uni. In other words, he's not a medical doctor, but uses the name 'doctor' in all of his public-facing work. Which isn't to say that what he's saying is wrong, but if it's right, I'd imagine you can find a better source that's not saying it as a way to sell you a bunch of shit.

Interesting.
I’ll give that a read. Always cautious of health fads although fasting seems more historic (maybe part of its pitch).
I guess there is lots of factors involved and maybe future studies will shed more like.

Have you seen this @SWP's back ?

I mainly just walk.
My breakfast is usually fruit, seeds and yoghurt after 10am.
I have one more meal at 6.
Maintain my 30" waist.

This is pretty much me (swap 10am to 11am and the 30” to 31”).

But I also do yoga and Pilates for strength and core (I have to as I have a labral tear in my hip.

I’ve also started running again after being a because ff off health wise this year.

So even though I’m in decent shape I still have extraneous fat I can’t seem to shift on my body/mid section.
I guess a step up in running will help.
Conscious about protein in take as I want to add more upper body weight training back in.

By the way I’m in no way obsessed by any of this, but it helps settle the nefarious gremlins that try and poke their mists into my affairs.

 

[SWP's back]

Interesting.
I’ll give that a read. Always cautious of health fads although fasting seems more historic (maybe part of its pitch).
I guess there is lots of factors involved and maybe future studies will shed more like.

Have you seen this @SWP's back ?

I have a full heart screening every year and so far I’ve always been given a clean bill of health.

I have one meal a day plus 7g of creatine and 2x 50g protein and no other supplements. I don’t eat processed food or smoke and I do around 10-15 hours exercise a week and I’ve got a six pack at 44 - if that’s not enough to stave off a heart attack then I may as well sit on my arse and eat mars bars all day.

 

[N1985]

I have no appetite all day until i smoke some weed around 5pm.

That's called the 4/20 fast

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I have a full heart screening every year and so far I’ve always been given a clean bill of health.

I have one meal a day plus 7g of creatine and 2x 50g protein and no other supplements. I don’t eat processed food or smoke and I do around 10-15 hours exercise a week and I’ve got a six pack at 44 - if that’s not enough to stave off a heart attack then I may as well sit on my arse and eat mars bars all day.

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Looking good there pal. I used to have a 6 pack a few years ago but It wasn't on view. It was well hidden under my party 7 pack; )

Joking apart I was in decent shape but because I worked away I'd graft all day sometimes 4 or 5 hours up a high telecoms structure with only fags, the odd mars bar and 500ml bottle of water to keep me going. Not ideal but I didn't fancy climbing down to climb back up unless I badly needed a number two so I'd crack on.

When I became 50 in 2014 I had to undergo a full medical with a Chester step test annually wearing blood pressure and heart monitoring pads on my chest before during and after exercise. Chester step exercise is a very simple up down up down on a 12" high step starting gradually to becoming more challenging each time after a brief rest. I think there was abut 6 or 7 reps for about 2 minutes each, can't remember exactly but at the end of the test I was blowing quite hard.

There was (maybe still is) 6 catagories of fitness pro-rated to age. A being excellent to F being a failure. And failing the test would have been the end of me working at height there and then due to insurance reasons. The nurse asked me how I thought I'd done so I said B or C. She said I got an A and congratulated me with a broad smile. I felt well chuffed. She then asked me if I smoked I said yes. She asked how many so I think I said between 15 to 20 on work days and about 10 to 12 at weekends. Without going too much off on a tangent I had my daughters at mine at weekend and I didn't drink. Gave me a bit of time to cook eat healthy food with an odd ast food meal as a treat sometimes when we were out.

Anyway, the nurse was shocked when I told her. "Really? You do surprise me". I asked why and she told me I had the lung capacity of someone my age who has never smoked. I got an A the following year and a B year after. She also said I cannot take my health and fitness for granted (after35 years of almost constant smoking) could soon impact on my general health which I agreed with. Thing is for me I've been an alcoholic twice in my life and given up hard drugs aged 20 after being sectioned as a stupid off my face 20 year old taking far too much LSD mushies weed and beer.

I still smoke around 15 roll ups a day now and am around a stone over my ideal weight of 15st 4 lb. I am 6'-1" though so not too out of shape. I'm not interested in gaining a 6 pack at my age but if I can become type and nicotine free within the next few months I'll be proud of myself. Not easy but I've been researching food nutrition for type 2 and it's going to be an interesting challenge swapping unhealthy food for healthy. I am a good cook though and when I move into my new place that's when I can really start trying to get be fit and healthy again which I'm looking forward to. Not only that I want to get off sertraline and nicotine to start feeling I'm happy and alive again. I don't intend stopping drinking as I like a pint or 8. But drinking in moderation is definitely doable.

At 8pm I'll be 48 hours into this accidental fast by having acute tinnitus that stopped me from sleeping last night. I'm not even hungry yet so I'm carrying on with water. I had an headache about 90 mins ago but I'm presuming ketosis is now taking place. I'm a stubborn bastard so I won't eat till tomorrow morning at the earliest. Headache is clearing now and I'm not too tired at the moment so I'll see if I can make it through the night with a good night's sleep...

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Interesting.
I’ll give that a read. Always cautious of health fads although fasting seems more historic (maybe part of its pitch).

Aye, I'm always suspicious of anything that's grounded in the fact that people throughout history have done it, because another thing people throughout history have done is die early. But yeah, as always, the reality is more nuanced than an easily-packaged fad, and more nuanced than people like me saying it's all bullshit.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Aye, I'm always suspicious of anything that's grounded in the fact that people throughout history have done it, because another thing people throughout history have done is die early. But yeah, as always, the reality is more nuanced than an easily-packaged fad, and more nuanced than people like me saying it's all bullshit.

I blame the yanks for spreading junk food throughout the world and I'm not joking. There are far too many fat Americans stuffing their faces with crap and gloryfying monster food challenges as cool when it's just downright gluttony and defo not cool imo.

The Japanese Okinawan and Mediterranean/middle Eastern diet are widely regarded by nutritional experts as the healthiest in the world with good health and longevity being common.

You're right, intermittent fasting has been happening for thousands of years, mainly for religious reasons but before religion brainwashed the masses it was happening by hunter gathering cavemen who had little choice.

Having read up on the benefits of black seed oil I bought a few bottles dirt cheap nearing the expiry date. I took a tablespoon each morning of it and high quality manuka honey which seemed to stave off colds and fatigue. I'm not sure but there's definitely something good in it. Black seeds were found in the tomb of Tutankhamun so if it was good enough for him I'll have some more of it I say.

 

[kippax_blueboy]

Interesting.
I’ll give that a read. Always cautious of health fads although fasting seems more historic (maybe part of its pitch).
I guess there is lots of factors involved and maybe future studies will shed more like.

Have you seen this @SWP's back ?

This is pretty much me (swap 10am to 11am and the 30” to 31”).

But I also do yoga and Pilates for strength and core (I have to as I have a labral tear in my hip.

I’ve also started running again after being a because ff off health wise this year.

So even though I’m in decent shape I still have extraneous fat I can’t seem to shift on my body/mid section.
I guess a step up in running will help.
Conscious about protein in take as I want to add more upper body weight training back in.

By the way I’m in no way obsessed by any of this, but it helps settle the nefarious gremlins that try and poke their mists into my affairs.

I have started a little running but I try to walk for two hours a day. 14000 steps.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I blame the yanks for spreading junk food throughout the world and I'm not joking. There are far too many fat Americans stuffing their faces with crap and gloryfying monster food challenges as cool when it's just downright gluttony and defo not cool imo.

The Japanese Okinawan and Mediterranean/middle Eastern diet are widely regarded by nutritional experts as the healthiest in the world with good health and longevity being common.

You're right, intermittent fasting has been happening for thousands of years, mainly for religious reasons but before religion brainwashed the masses it was happening by hunter gathering cavemen who had little choice.

Having read up on the benefits of black seed oil I bought a few bottles dirt cheap nearing the expiry date. I took a tablespoon each morning of it and high quality manuka honey which seemed to stave off colds and fatigue. I'm not sure but there's definitely something good in it. Black seeds were found in the tomb of Tutankhamun so if it was good enough for him I'll have some more of it I say.

Even be careful of these claims. There was a whole fad of these 'blue zones' where people lived unusually long lives, with everyone looking at the diet to find out why. It turned out to be bullshit and that these places just basically had higher than average numbers of liars and pension fraud.



Pretty funny really.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Even be careful of these claims. There was a whole fad of these 'blue zones' where people lived unusually long lives, with everyone looking at the diet to find out why. It turned out to be bullshit and that these places just basically had higher than average numbers of liars and pension fraud.



Pretty funny really.

Are you always so cynical about things?

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I'm now in hour 51 of this prolonged fast I didn't mean to start and although I'm feeling weak and tired my tinnitus and anxiety is stopping me from sleeping. I've never gone this long without food before and I'm way into unknown territory.

Bit of a conundrum whether I tough it out and try to reach 72 hours at 8pm tomorrow or cave in. I'm hungry now but trying to block food thoughts out which is hard but I'm hoping my hunger abates in the morning.

I also wanted to discuss with my doctor about trying a prolonged fast beforehand and if I should reduce or stop taking my medication. I made the decision to not take them till I start eating again. My blood sugar went down to 7.1 this morning but I took it again about 45 minutes ago and it's now 8.7 so I'm confused why it's gone up and not down. Maybe I should have taken one or two metformin I don't know.

Tomorrow morning I'll see how I feel and will walk into Ashton and buy some bone broth from Holland and Barrett and nip into Aldi for a tub of Greek yoghurt and a tub of houmous. I'll buy some capsicums carrots and celery to dip into the houmous. I'll drink the bone broth first wait Ann hour before eating 250gms of Greek yoghurt with mixed nuts and a few raisins and cranberries to sweeten. An hour or so later I'll eat the veg with the humous and maybe eat some meat or fish later for protein.

I think I'm doing well though in cutting out sugar in my tea and trying not to eat food with refined sugar in. I feel like I will eventually benefit from all this in body and mind.

 

[SWP's back]

Are you always so cynical about things?

I’d be interested to see how svelt he is.

 

[oldhamblue]

Look up Dr. Jason Fung who specialises in getting diabetics off medication. Mainly through getting on them on a keto diet and some IF.

I've been experimenting with fasting. I naturally don't eat until tea time but I never got the benefits of autophagy because I'd have 10 cups of tea with sweetener in the day.

My Mrs. went Tenerife in September for a week. So I ate an evening meal Friday Saturday Sunday as normal. Then fasted 48 hours until Tuesday evening. Had a meal. Then fasted 72 hours until Friday tea time.

Dropped a stone in the week, mainly belly fat. Jeans were a lot looser.

Going to do 16/8 or 20/4 for the next few weeks. I'll do a weekly 36 hour fast which seems to be the sweet spot for autophagy. Might do a 48 -72 hour fast.

Once you've fasted for 24+ hours psychologically you know you definitely don't need to eat 3 times a day or eat crap all day. You also appreciate the taste of good whole foods

 

[Fat Chance]

Its very (easilly) possible to have a six pack and be unhealthy...real wellbeing starts in the hips...the feeler gauges..the brain in our canister is not our first brain.

Mediterranean diets are mint they say...
Just not mint if youre feeding any inflammation with tomatoes...its such shame they forget that bit and have folk trying to promote their own cancer and worse still have said folk spreading the bum steer.

If youre past peak man age stop lieing to yourself and fuck breakfast off...

Fasting aint GQ...every fecker talking diets...its about giving your organs a rest..something they dont ever get under normal batting.