Totally different skill sets.
It's like trying to train you or me into being a ball playing defender when we don't have the required skill set. Or turning Kun into a keeper.
One would assume any professional outfield footballer would have some level of skill with ball at feet in the first place.
Fingers fucking crossed for tonight.I accept what you are saying in the spirit it was intended. I just can't see that it's a bigger leap than everyone else has to make. He won't make Neuer standard but a significant improvement in this department, allied to his shot-stopping strength, would make for a pretty good GK. The debate won't die unless or until Bravo improves radically.
Fingers fucking crossed for tonight.
It's not really about Joe's ability with his feet, which I've always personally thought is ok. It's his decision making and the speed at which he executes it that is the primary issue imo - and that a quality that is much more difficult to impart than a particular skill, especially in a seemingly obdurate 29 year old.I accept what you are saying in the spirit it was intended. I just can't see that it's a bigger leap than everyone else has to make. He won't make Neuer standard but a significant improvement in this department, allied to his shot-stopping strength, would make for a pretty good GK. The debate won't die unless or until Bravo improves radically.
Again, he saved more per game on the last two years there than Hart managed here.Bravo is poo, he might be good at Barca with maybe one shot at him all game. Here he gets quite a few and has forgotten that he's supposed to stop them
It's not really about Joe's ability with his feet, which I've always personally thought is ok. It's his decision making and the speed at which he executes it that is the primary issue imo - and that a quality that is much more difficult to impart than a particular skill, especially in a seemingly obdurate 29 year old.
Can bold, effective decision making be taught? I'm not sure it can, especially at that age. I believe Joe is hardwired to hesitate before releasing the ball, just like some golfers and snooker players take time over their shots - and others play on instinct and with gusto. It's just the way their brains are wired. I believe Pep is looking for a Jimmy White rather than a Cliff Thorburn.
Well if a failed midfield player can be turned into a keeper why not Kun pretty decent with the ball at his feet, his passing needs bit of work and I know he's a bit small but one on one he'll scare the shit out of oncoming forwards. All we'd have to work on is avoiding dropping the ball at a forwards feet and passing it directly to them while 30 yards out and problem positions solved.Totally different skill sets.
It's like trying to train you or me into being a ball playing defender when we don't have the required skill set. Or turning Kun into a keeper.
One would assume any professional outfield footballer would have some level of skill with ball at feet in the first place.
Bravo is poo, he might be good at Barca with maybe one shot at him all game. Here he gets quite a few and has forgotten that he's supposed to stop them
Our keeper dropped a ball since his debut?Well if a failed midfield player can be turned into a keeper why not Kun pretty decent with the ball at his feet, his passing needs bit of work and I know he's a bit small but one on one he'll scare the shit out of oncoming forwards. All we'd have to work on is avoiding dropping the ball at a forwards feet and passing it directly to them while 30 yards out and problem positions solved.
He hasn't actually gone though. He's still our player and there's a chance (small as it may be) that he will come back and play for us - you never know.Let it go fellas, Joe is gone and not coming back.
It's embarrassing to listen to, like some sad loser chasing after an ex-girlfriend who has moved on.
There you go jumping to conclusions again, I'm saying what Kun would need to work on gosh you're so protective, anyone would think you think our new goalkeeper might actually playing a bit gash for us.Our keeper dropped a ball since his debut?
Again, he saved more per game on the last two years there than Hart managed here.
Whether he can recover than form or has turned to shit we will know shortly.
He hasn't actually gone though. He's still our player and there's a chance (small as it may be) that he will come back and play for us - you never know.
But you'd think they'd even put over two years.Any idea of a breakdown on those shots. Inside the area, outside. We all know stats are so misleading. He literally could of had a high percentage of saving pretty weak and lame shots than making cracking saves.
This is the same when using stats on pretty much every player, they can be so misleading.
He hasn't actually gone though. He's still our player and there's a chance (small as it may be) that he will come back and play for us - you never know.
If he had actually been sold, this topic wouldn't exist. If we'd brought in a top 'keeper, this topic wouldn't exist.
It's more like a current girlfriend has gone to work away for a bit than chasing an ex-gf who has moved on ;)
What has that got to do with it? we don't measure ourselves against them anymore
I was saying compare bravo now against his last number of games at barca so we can see if he is the same or is just struggling here,take it to the bravo thread as we are way off topic here
Again, he saved more per game on the last two years there than Hart managed here.
Whether he can recover than form or has turned to shit we will know shortly.
I know you are a stats man but what do your eyes tell you? is bravo struggling or not? De Gea is making great saves,important saves and keeping the rags in their games,bravo is notOutside of our tiny minded shores both Bravo and De Gea are considered far superior to Hart(whom I liked very much). You were dismissing Bravo's stats from another league. Well his stats in this league are better than one of the better keepers, one widely considered World Class.