Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[supercrystal7]

@supercrystal

Dortmund already had the same problems last year. We were talking about this already then - even with Gündogan, Götze etc. The 25 points did not come from nothing - and the most of this points they did not get in the CL months. But the most teams then still played more open against them than they do it this season. There was still a lot teams that thought they could play bremenlike against them and that does not work - even now. And they had a lot of matches like against Nuremberg in which Nuremberg really had them in the bag but was unlucky and they somehow had the luck to score that goal - this year they miss being lucky, too.

True, but that was also largely due to their small squad. I think it was Sammer, who said you needed to buy 5 new players after your 2012 season (where like Dortmund you narrowly lost everything). Dortmund's problems last season to me appeared more due to the lack of rotation and players being a bit tired. Last year apart from Bayern's first 11 being better they also had better options ie Shaqiri, Gomez, Gustavo, Rafinha, Badstuber, Van Buyten etc. Now compare that with Kehl, Santana, Grosskreutz and Schieber.

Klopp's decision to go even less technical and just have a fast players like Henrikh and Aubemayang has taken them further back than even the injuries.

Seeing Essien and he is a shadow of the player he used to be, but still think he was what Schalke needed. His experience, example and determination would have guaranteed them top 4.

The Bayern line up is out. Schweinsteiger's first start, but a shame to see Kroos on the bench.

 

[supercrystal7]

Bayern game was entertaining, but dead now. Was never in doubt, but Hannover did rip the Bayern defence apart, but Starke had a very good game.

Schweinsteiger showing why he is still the master: the most complete and best central midfielder for me. Muller's movement and performance was brilliant. Lahm was great next to Schweinsteiger. 19 points clear and they rested so many players.

A small worry is that Martinez is not a centre back and gets caught out every time with balls over the top or in behind. Bayern could have conceded 3 or 4 today. They cannot get away with it against better teams. I don't see the point of pushing both full backs so far forward either all the time (even though Rafinha set up a couple of goals). Thiago got the other goal, but he seems Pep is desperate to find a place for him and he is playing wide at the minute.

 

[Maldeika]

Bayern game was entertaining, but dead now. Was never in doubt, but Hannover did rip the Bayern defence apart, but Starke had a very good game.

Schweinsteiger showing why he is still the master: the most complete and best central midfielder for me. Muller's movement and performance was brilliant. Lahm was great next to Schweinsteiger. 19 points clear and they rested so many players.

A small worry is that Martinez is not a centre back and gets caught out every time with balls over the top or in behind. Bayern could have conceded 3 or 4 today. They cannot get away with it against better teams. I don't see the point of pushing both full backs so far forward either all the time (even though Rafinha set up a couple of goals). Thiago got the other goal, but he seems Pep is desperate to find a place for him and he is playing wide at the minute.

I think that is an advantage Thiago has against e.g. Kroos and even Schweinsteiger - he can switch with Müller so he can go into the box and Thiago plays a decent right offensive midfielder during a match. Bayern is most dangerous with Müller + Mandzu/Pizza in the box.

 

[supercrystal7]

I think that is an advantage Thiago has against e.g. Kroos and even Schweinsteiger - he can switch with Müller so he can go into the box and Thiago plays a decent right offensive midfielder during a match. Bayern is most dangerous with Müller + Mandzu/Pizza in the box.

Perhaps, but if he just played Bastian/Kroos in the middiel for the easier games then he could player a front 4 of Muller, Robben, Gotze and Mandzukic. This would allow Robben or even Gotze to swap roles. Those are minor details.

The bigger concern is that he seems to want to play Martinez at the back. If he does that against Madrid then you will be destroyed.

 

[Maldeika]

I think that is an advantage Thiago has against e.g. Kroos and even Schweinsteiger - he can switch with Müller so he can go into the box and Thiago plays a decent right offensive midfielder during a match. Bayern is most dangerous with Müller + Mandzu/Pizza in the box.

Perhaps, but if he just played Bastian/Kroos in the middiel for the easier games then he could player a front 4 of Muller, Robben, Gotze and Mandzukic. This would allow Robben or even Gotze to swap roles. Those are minor details.

The bigger concern is that he seems to want to play Martinez at the back. If he does that against Madrid then you will be destroyed.

Martinez played that role the second or third time in the Bayern team. Do not forget that he played in this position a whole year in La Liga in which he was voted in the La Liga eleven that consisted only of Real and Barcaplayers. Bielsa used him as a defender - not as a defensive mid. Athletico Bilbao made the EL final with him in that position.

 

[supercrystal7]

I think that is an advantage Thiago has against e.g. Kroos and even Schweinsteiger - he can switch with Müller so he can go into the box and Thiago plays a decent right offensive midfielder during a match. Bayern is most dangerous with Müller + Mandzu/Pizza in the box.

Perhaps, but if he just played Bastian/Kroos in the middiel for the easier games then he could player a front 4 of Muller, Robben, Gotze and Mandzukic. This would allow Robben or even Gotze to swap roles. Those are minor details.

The bigger concern is that he seems to want to play Martinez at the back. If he does that against Madrid then you will be destroyed.

Martinez played that role the second or third time in the Bayern team. Do not forget that he played in this position a whole year in La Liga in which he was voted in the La Liga eleven that consisted only of Real and Barcaplayers. Bielsa used him as a defender - not as a defensive mid. Athletico Bilbao made the EL final with him in that position.

Mascherano plays in defence in La Liga and they tried to play Song there too. Every time I have seen Martinez at centre back his lack of space and ability to hold a line or judge a high ball has proved costly.

When you have the quality of Bayern you can get away with a lot. Bayern could probably play a Bundesliga 2 player at centre back and probably still win the league. It does not mean the player is doing well. Chelsea won the CL with Boswinga at right back.

 

[BayernMan]

Cant get enough of this :p

 

[supercrystal7]

Another hammering for a Bundesliga team. What can you say about Schalke except everything was wrong. No belief, no confidence, terrible tactics, cowardly performance etc. Just so much wrong. When the leader of the team is Santana it says it all.

Results like this will also seriously damage the young players. Team needs a proper manager, some leaders and a little bit of investment in certain areas.

Draxler got a lesson today about what a true superstar is.

 

[Ruhr]

not much to say about this match, but the leaders of the team are Boateng, Höwedes and Huntelaar, not Santana. He is a substitute, if all are fit.

 

[supercrystal7]

not much to say about this match, but the leaders of the team are Boateng, Höwedes and Huntelaar, not Santana. He is a substitute, if all are fit.

Boateng was a leader today there until he got injured or could not be bothered. Howedes maybe captain, but he was not taking responsibility. Papadopoulous has been out all season and Santana is a regular. As bad as he was today, he was still the one taking responsibility and trying to encourage and motivate the others. He may have been very, very bad; but at least he did not hide.

 

[Maldeika]

Another hammering for a Bundesliga team. What can you say about Schalke except everything was wrong. No belief, no confidence, terrible tactics, cowardly performance etc. Just so much wrong. When the leader of the team is Santana it says it all.

Results like this will also seriously damage the young players. Team needs a proper manager, some leaders and a little bit of investment in certain areas.

Draxler got a lesson today about what a true superstar is.

I hopefully he does not take any from CR7... - I cannot stand that peacock...

But they played with too much young ones and too much players that just came back from injuries - Draxler was one of them. And the game did not really run for them. If they could have held the 0:0 much longer they probably would have lost - but not with that margin.

 

[supercrystal7]

Another hammering for a Bundesliga team. What can you say about Schalke except everything was wrong. No belief, no confidence, terrible tactics, cowardly performance etc. Just so much wrong. When the leader of the team is Santana it says it all.

Results like this will also seriously damage the young players. Team needs a proper manager, some leaders and a little bit of investment in certain areas.

Draxler got a lesson today about what a true superstar is.

I hopefully he does not take any from CR7... - I cannot stand that peacock...

But they played with too much young ones and too much players that just came back from injuries - Draxler was one of them. And the game did not really run for them. If they could have held the 0:0 much longer they probably would have lost - but not with that margin.

There is a lot worse a player can do than learn from Ronaldo. He may like to show off and get attention, but he has true grit and steel.

This match could be the making of breaking of a lot of players. Meyer needs to step up now. For a while he has been too frightened to take risk or responsibility with his passing. He needs to be bolder and try more.

Draxler needs to put in a lot of work and forget about the hype. Needs to start performing like Bale was.

Despite this loss, Schalke are in a very good position for the future. They don't even need to spend much in the summer. Whether Draxler goes or not ( and he should stay) they should sign an experienced centre back and experienced holding midfielder.

They should try and hijack the Vidic deal (but he wants a Mediterranean climate it seems). Puyol is past it, but even he could do wonders for a season. Maybe Evra or Ashley Cole. They need a legend that has played in multiple CL finals and won everything. It would be a free transfer so they could spend that bit extra on wages.

 

[bayern blade]

Another hammering for a Bundesliga team. What can you say about Schalke except everything was wrong. No belief, no confidence, terrible tactics, cowardly performance etc. Just so much wrong. When the leader of the team is Santana it says it all.

Results like this will also seriously damage the young players. Team needs a proper manager, some leaders and a little bit of investment in certain areas.

Draxler got a lesson today about what a true superstar is.

That they're crap ? Tbf the two BL teams that lost, S04 and Leverkusen, were playing teams that had cost a fortune, not Olympiakos or Galatasary.

 

[supercrystal7]

Another hammering for a Bundesliga team. What can you say about Schalke except everything was wrong. No belief, no confidence, terrible tactics, cowardly performance etc. Just so much wrong. When the leader of the team is Santana it says it all.

Results like this will also seriously damage the young players. Team needs a proper manager, some leaders and a little bit of investment in certain areas.

Draxler got a lesson today about what a true superstar is.

That they're crap ? Tbf the two BL teams that lost, S04 and Leverkusen, were playing teams that had cost a fortune, not Olympiakos or Galatasary.

Except what does it say that Schalke and Leverkusen lost 3-0 and 5-0 to Chelsea and United, especially when Olympaikos and Galatasary did what they did?

The attitude that the opposition cost a fortune is part of the problem. It was embarrassing hearing Draxler and company eulogising about the Madrid team. Do you think that Olympiakos and Basel have more quality in the team than Schalke? Do you realise that PSG have not had such a big away result in Ligue 1 this season? The mentality of the team and players is awful.

The fitness level and intensity was summed up by Boateng have a smoke and a beer in the changing room.

The Bundesliga is at a crossroads and they either make a few small corrections (mostly on mentality and professionalism) and emerge as the top league or they are going to collapse like the mid 00s. The fans deserve the clubs to be run much better.

 

[bayern blade]

Except what does it say that Schalke and Leverkusen lost 3-0 and 5-0 to Chelsea and United, especially when Olympaikos and Galatasary did what they did?

The attitude that the opposition cost a fortune is part of the problem. It was embarrassing hearing Draxler and company eulogising about the Madrid team. Do you think that Olympiakos and Basel have more quality in the team than Schalke? Do you realise that PSG have not had such a big away result in Ligue 1 this season? The mentality of the team and players is awful.

The fitness level and intensity was summed up by Boateng have a smoke and a beer in the changing room.

The Bundesliga is at a crossroads and they either make a few small corrections (mostly on mentality and professionalism) and emerge as the top league or they are going to collapse like the mid 00s. The fans deserve the clubs to be run much better.

A - Single results mean nothing. Schalke won v Basel twice, Chelsea lost to Basel twice but does that mean S04 are better than Chelsea ? Of course Olympiakos aren't much better than Schalke but Man Utd are much worse than Real Madrid who would have walloped the Greeks out of sight.

B - I disagree. I think you're looking at the wrong teams, I reckon the likes of Wolfsburg and Gladbach will emerge as stronger than S04 and Leverkusen in the years to come.

 

[Ruhr]

i don´t think, you are right with Gladbach. Ter Stegen leaves them at the end of the season. And so will other talents they bring out. And in the end Lucien Favre, their coach, will one fine day find a big club, because he will be sick of rebuilding a team each year.

 

[supercrystal7]

A - Single results mean nothing. Schalke won v Basel twice, Chelsea lost to Basel twice but does that mean S04 are better than Chelsea ? Of course Olympiakos aren't much better than Schalke but Man Utd are much worse than Real Madrid who would have walloped the Greeks out of sight.

This defeatist attitude is the problem with the teams. If Basel can beat Chelsea then why can't a better team like Schalke? After the match Draxler made the same comments about Chelsea that he did Madrid ie Chelsea are so strong and when they play well nothing can be done. Chelsea are not that good. Schalke with the current squad should be able to compete with them. You say Manchester United are much worse than Olmpiakos then why did Leverkusen lose 5-0 and 4-2 to them? The same defeatist attitude is seen in virtually every match vs Bayern in the league. Teams have no belief and hope of winning then consequently put no effort in.

There are many reasons Schalke lost yesterday, but the lack of belief, the lack of work rate and terrible tactics are inexcusable. I in 22 years of going to Palace have booed the team less than a handful of times. During that time period I have seen team been relegated several times and narrowly survive being relegated to the third tier on numerous occasions. Yet even I would have booed if I was a fan after that performance.

B - I disagree. I think you're looking at the wrong teams, I reckon the likes of Wolfsburg and Gladbach will emerge as stronger than S04 and Leverkusen in the years to come.

Gladbach will do nothing and are not even going to make top 4. Wolfsburg only have a slight chance if they invest heavily. Dortmund with a little help of Bayern, but mostly due to their own arrogance are close to collapse. Schalke will waste this generation of talent they have coming through unless they do something.


The first step is to stop worshiping the 'big teams' and play the players on the pitch not the name. Stop making excuses for when the team embarrass themselves. If Crystal Palace had put in the sort of performance (not result) the performance as Schalke and Leverkusen had, I would be angry let alone teams with Lars Bender, Kiessling, Sidney Sam, Huntelaar, Boateng, Draxler, Meyer, Farfan etc.

 

[Bembeltown]

Euro League is over for us....Still gutted, but sometimes it´s just not meant to be.

Unbelievable match yesterday evening, unbelievable atmosphere and just nerve racking.

Can´t really blame the team, we did great and definitely could have beaten them.

Ah well...guess we still left a good impression both from a football point of view as well as our fans.

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Going to be the last European Night for a while for us. I just hope it won´t take us another 7 years to get to Europe. :(

 

[aguero93:20]

It's kind of telling that the Bayern fans on this thread are defending the Bundesliga, but fans of any other German club think a lot differently.
That, coupled with the dominance that Bayern are enjoying, spells big trouble for that league.

 

[Ruhr]

Euro League is over for us....Still gutted, but sometimes it´s just not meant to be.

Unbelievable match yesterday evening, unbelievable atmosphere and just nerve racking.

Can´t really blame the team, we did great and definitely could have beaten them.

Ah well...guess we still left a good impression both from a football point of view as well as our fans.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ahzcCJXrkk&list=UUNcSMs_I79erOSmYoJbpHrw&feature=c4-overview[/youtube]

Going to be the last European Night for a while for us. I just hope it won´t take us another 7 years to get to Europe. :(

Felt sorry for you, Bembel, you were so near...(like we the day before, :) )
It may not take another seven years, ranks 6-7 in the Bundesliga is always possible, it´s not such a huge gap<br /><br />-- Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:45 pm --<br /><br />

It's kind of telling that the Bayern fans on this thread are defending the Bundesliga, but fans of any other German club think a lot differently.
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you are right, there are some developments, that should concern the Bundesliga bosses. The media though is still celebrating the big illusion of this CL-final last season.