Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

[betstatz]

Some current Bundesliga stats from betstatz, that we found interesting:

Bayern Munich have the best defence in their league this season, conceding 9 goals in 22 league games

Bayern Munich have the best away attack in their league this season with 29 goals in their 11 away league games

Dortmund have failed to find the back of the net in just 4 of their last 30 league games

In their last 30 league games, Werder Bremen have kept 7 clean sheets

Schalke 04 haven't conceded a 1st half goal in their last 7 league games, but have conceded 2 2nd half goals

In their last 12 league games, 5 of Leverkusen's 15 goals conceded came in the 1st half, with 10 conceded in the 2nd half

 

[Maldeika]

It's kind of telling that the Bayern fans on this thread are defending the Bundesliga, but fans of any other German club think a lot differently.
That, coupled with the dominance that Bayern are enjoying, spells big trouble for that league.

The Bayern fans? The most German Bayern fans I have read on Wednesday somewhat celebrated...

The Schalke of Wednesday could have played Arsenal and won. And Arsenal could have played against Real and the result could just have been the same. Not a real surprise, or?

Do you think that matches of PSG or Real against Leverkusen or Schalke really tell the quality of the league... If they would have parked the bus the results would have been lower - but the teams would not get better overnight.

Like said - sure Bayern is by far the best team in the Bundesliga - but they have been the recent 30 years. The difference between the Bayern of today and former Bayern teams is mainly that after the losses 2011/12 they really concentrate on every match. They barely loose against the minor teams - losses former teams would have had as they just did not have the same dedication and mentality. It does not have to do with the "poor" quality of the league. The EPL does not really get stronger if your team looses or draws against rank 10, 12 or 16 because your players do not take them serious, or?

 

[Ruhr]

The difference between the Bayern of today and former Bayern teams is mainly that after the losses 2011/12 they really concentrate on every match.

ah, and i thought, the difference is, you invested around 120 million Euro in the team in two years.:)

there is enough reason, to think about the quality of the Bundesliga. One is the poor results in the Europa League or what has become of former big teams like Bremen, HSV and Stuttgart or how many teams have improved since last season......

 

[supercrystal7]

It's kind of telling that the Bayern fans on this thread are defending the Bundesliga, but fans of any other German club think a lot differently.
That, coupled with the dominance that Bayern are enjoying, spells big trouble for that league.

The Bayern fans? The most German Bayern fans I have read on Wednesday somewhat celebrated...

The Schalke of Wednesday could have played Arsenal and won. And Arsenal could have played against Real and the result could just have been the same. Not a real surprise, or?

It's very disappointing to here that German fans were celebrating Schalke's disgrace. The Schalke of Wednesday would not have won against a Premiership fighting relegation let alone Arsenal. Nor is there anyway Arsenal would be beaten so heavily by Madrid and Arsenal are the most naive out of the English teams. Schalke played with no confidence and no heart. Ignoring the result, it was sad to see so many players hiding and approaching that game with no belief.

Do you think that matches of PSG or Real against Leverkusen or Schalke really tell the quality of the league... If they would have parked the bus the results would have been lower - but the teams would not get better overnight.

Good tactics are part of being better so yes if they had played more sensibly it would have made them a better team overnight. It's astounding how any team could go into a match planning to leave Ronaldo 1 on 1 with Matip. It's just suicidal and so unbelievably stupid.

The Schalke and Leverkusen match does tell a lot about the quality of the league and Schalke and Leverkusen (despite the draw) put up a similar gutless performances against Bayern.

Like said - sure Bayern is by far the best team in the Bundesliga - but they have been the recent 30 years. The difference between the Bayern of today and former Bayern teams is mainly that after the losses 2011/12 they really concentrate on every match. They barely loose against the minor teams - losses former teams would have had as they just did not have the same dedication and mentality. It does not have to do with the "poor" quality of the league. The EPL does not really get stronger if your team looses or draws against rank 10, 12 or 16 because your players do not take them serious, or?

Sorry Bayern's success does have to do with the gutless and weak performance in the league. There have only been a handful of games where teams have played Bayern with belief Gladbach (away), Dortmund, Hannover, Hertha Berlin and Suttgart. In virtually every other match the team has been beaten before they set out on the field.

Chelsea top of the league draw against West Brom not, because they don't take them seriously, but because West Brom fight to the end. When Stuttgart showed fight and determination with a young team they almost got a result.

The Premiership is not perfect and has many faults. For the last 6 years the standard of the top teams ie Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool and Arsenal have dropped dramatically. United and Chelsea just let their teams get old, Arsenal sold their team and Liverpool had bad owners/sold players/got old. Only City have really improved in the Premiership. Even the likes of Everton and Villa were weaker for a longer period.

Now though things have changed. City have finally assembled a squad approaching the United/Chelsea/Arsenal teams. Chelsea are investing and Arsenal finally can spend again. The future of the Premiership looks bright.

This is not so with the Bundesliga. The German teams have made their poor performances acceptable by repeatedly telling themselves that Bayern are the best team in the world and would dominate every other league. That is not true anymore. Bayern are not much better if at all better than Madrid, PSG, Barcelona and City. If these teams don't have 19 point leads then there is no reason Bayern should.

 

[bayern blade]

It's kind of telling that the Bayern fans on this thread are defending the Bundesliga, but fans of any other German club think a lot differently.
That, coupled with the dominance that Bayern are enjoying, spells big trouble for that league.

As long as we are top and doing well in europe I couldn't give a shit. As Rummenigge says "We are not going to apologise for being good and winning".
F##k the rest of them, it's their job to catch us.

 

[City_Sean]

It's kind of telling that the Bayern fans on this thread are defending the Bundesliga, but fans of any other German club think a lot differently.
That, coupled with the dominance that Bayern are enjoying, spells big trouble for that league.

As long as we are top and doing well in europe I couldn't give a shit. As Rummenigge says "We are not going to apologise for being good and winning".
F##k the rest of them, it's their job to catch us.

but how can they catch you when you continually buy their best players?

 

[bayern blade]

It's kind of telling that the Bayern fans on this thread are defending the Bundesliga, but fans of any other German club think a lot differently.
That, coupled with the dominance that Bayern are enjoying, spells big trouble for that league.

As long as we are top and doing well in europe I couldn't give a shit. As Rummenigge says "We are not going to apologise for being good and winning".
F##k the rest of them, it's their job to catch us.

but how can they catch you when you continually buy their best players?

Surely the whole point is that they aren't supposed to catch us ? Winning is the idea.

In anycase all who's best players ? We have bought one player (Götze) from Dortmund in the last 20 years, just ONE player. Hardly a cull is it ?
Lewa doesn't join until next season and he is out of contract and was leaving anyway.

 

[City_Sean]

As long as we are top and doing well in europe I couldn't give a shit. As Rummenigge says "We are not going to apologise for being good and winning".
F##k the rest of them, it's their job to catch us.

but how can they catch you when you continually buy their best players?

Surely the whole point is that they aren't supposed to catch us ? Winning is the idea.

In anycase all who's best players ? We have bought one player (Götze) from Dortmund in the last 20 years, just ONE player. Hardly a cull is it ?
Lewa doesn't join until next year and he is out of contract and was leaving anyway.

Gomez
Mandzukic
Goetze
Lewandowski
Neuer
Dante
Gustavo

not to mention you could be going for Draxler.

All signed to weaken other teams and strengthen yours, in the process making you're league a complete non event. you're league will die out due to the fact nobody can catch you.

 

[bayern blade]

Gomez
Mandzukic
Goetze
Lewandowski
Neuer
Dante
Gustavo

not to mention you could be going for Draxler.

All signed to weaken other teams and strengthen yours, in the process making you're league a complete non event. you're league will die out due to the fact nobody can catch you.

So where do you get your players then ffs ?

You really make me smile with this holier than thou bollocks. The fact that city raided Arsenal over and over didn't matter then eh ?

 

[Rotweiss]

but how can they catch you when you continually buy their best players?

Surely the whole point is that they aren't supposed to catch us ? Winning is the idea.

In anycase all who's best players ? We have bought one player (Götze) from Dortmund in the last 20 years, just ONE player. Hardly a cull is it ?
Lewa doesn't join until next year and he is out of contract and was leaving anyway.

Gomez
Mandzukic
Goetze
Lewandowski
Neuer
Dante
Gustavo

not to mention you could be going for Draxler.

All signed to weaken other teams and strengthen others, you're league will die out due to the fact nobody can catch you.

So we didn't sign those players to strengthen our squad, our sole purpose was to weaken others and nothing else? Funny that.

City bought players from other clubs in the PL, United do it etc. Is it not to strengthen your squad? Why is it only bad when Bayern buy a player? One would think it's good to look for players at you domestic league first before trying elsewhere.

Bayern wants to remain a club that relies primarily on German players. Everyone has the right to think otherwise, but I prefer that the team relies on them first before looking outside of Germany.

 

[bayern blade]

So we didn't sign those players to strengthen our squad, our sole purpose was to weaken others and nothing else? Funny that.

City bought players from other clubs in the PL, United do it etc. Is it not to strengthen your squad? Why is it only bad when Bayern buy a player? One would think it's good to look for players at you domestic league first before trying elsewhere.

Bayern wants to remain a club that relies primarily on German players. Everyone has the right to think otherwise, but I prefer that the team relies on them first before looking outside of Germany.

I can't understand that either. City have spent far more than we have but it only seems to matter when it's Bayern.

 

[bayern blade]

Gomez
Mandzukic
Goetze
Lewandowski
Neuer
Dante
Gustavo

not to mention you could be going for Draxler.

All signed to weaken other teams and strengthen yours, in the process making you're league a complete non event. you're league will die out due to the fact nobody can catch you.

Also I'd be interested to know who you think Bayern could legitimately be allowed to buy given the need to buy top players to compete in the CL.
Nobody in Germany presumably which surely means that you think City should buy no players from English teams ?

 

[Maldeika]

Gomez
Mandzukic
Goetze
Lewandowski
Neuer
Dante
Gustavo

not to mention you could be going for Draxler.

All signed to weaken other teams and strengthen yours, in the process making you're league a complete non event. you're league will die out due to the fact nobody can catch you.

Also I'd be interested to know who you think Bayern could legitimately be allowed to buy given the need to buy top players to compete in the CL.
Nobody in Germany presumably which surely means that you think City should buy no players from English teams ?

No matter what Bayern does - it is wrong. Didn't you know that? I am Bayern fan since earliest childhood it it always was like this.

 

[edgecroft]

Hahaha, what a bunch of twats!

 

[supercrystal7]

Gomez
Mandzukic
Goetze
Lewandowski
Neuer
Dante
Gustavo

not to mention you could be going for Draxler.

All signed to weaken other teams and strengthen yours, in the process making you're league a complete non event. you're league will die out due to the fact nobody can catch you.

Also I'd be interested to know who you think Bayern could legitimately be allowed to buy given the need to buy top players to compete in the CL.
Nobody in Germany presumably which surely means that you think City should buy no players from English teams ?

No matter what Bayern does - it is wrong. Didn't you know that? I am Bayern fan since earliest childhood it it always was like this.

Only Lewandowski out of that list was really bought to weaken the opposition. I don't think Bayern deserve the blame for the state of the Bundesliga. However, I think their fans need to realise that for Bayern to flourish they need a strong Bundesliga.

The blame lies with the other clubs not Bayern. They are the ones that run the clubs poorly and make bad choices. It's not Bayern's fault they cannot get their house in order, but it will become part of Bayern's problem when the league collapses. When you look after your house, but the neighbours let theirs turn into ruins then the value of your house depreciates.

 

[Maldeika]

Also I'd be interested to know who you think Bayern could legitimately be allowed to buy given the need to buy top players to compete in the CL.
Nobody in Germany presumably which surely means that you think City should buy no players from English teams ?

No matter what Bayern does - it is wrong. Didn't you know that? I am Bayern fan since earliest childhood it it always was like this.

Only Lewandowski out of that list was really bought to weaken the opposition. I don't think Bayern deserve the blame for the state of the Bundesliga. However, I think their fans need to realise that for Bayern to flourish they need a strong Bundesliga.

The blame lies with the other clubs not Bayern. They are the ones that run the clubs poorly and make bad choices. It's not Bayern's fault they cannot get their house in order, but it will become part of Bayern's problem when the league collapses. When you look after your house, but the neighbours let theirs turn into ruins then the value of your house depreciates.

Especially Lewa was not bought to weaken the the opposition. Lewandowski would have left Dortmund no matter to where. And if such a striker is on the market all top clubs try to get him. Bayern was not the only one. And when the first talks started Bayern was already not satisfied with Gomez - and every top team needs atleast two strikers.

 

[supercrystal7]

No matter what Bayern does - it is wrong. Didn't you know that? I am Bayern fan since earliest childhood it it always was like this.

Only Lewandowski out of that list was really bought to weaken the opposition. I don't think Bayern deserve the blame for the state of the Bundesliga. However, I think their fans need to realise that for Bayern to flourish they need a strong Bundesliga.

The blame lies with the other clubs not Bayern. They are the ones that run the clubs poorly and make bad choices. It's not Bayern's fault they cannot get their house in order, but it will become part of Bayern's problem when the league collapses. When you look after your house, but the neighbours let theirs turn into ruins then the value of your house depreciates.

Especially Lewa was not bought to weaken the the opposition. Lewandowski would have left Dortmund no matter to where. And if such a striker is on the market all top clubs try to get him. Bayern was not the only one. And when the first talks started Bayern was already not satisfied with Gomez - and every top team needs atleast two strikers.

Lewandowkis is good, but there are many strikers as good or better than him. Higuain, Benzema, Aguero, Suarez, RVP, Rooney, Falcao, Cavani, Dzeko and Zlatan are just some of the strikers they could have got instead. Yes Lewandowski had experience in the German league, but I think weakening and disrupting Dortmund was a big incentive in the deal.

 

[Maldeika]

Only Lewandowski out of that list was really bought to weaken the opposition. I don't think Bayern deserve the blame for the state of the Bundesliga. However, I think their fans need to realise that for Bayern to flourish they need a strong Bundesliga.

The blame lies with the other clubs not Bayern. They are the ones that run the clubs poorly and make bad choices. It's not Bayern's fault they cannot get their house in order, but it will become part of Bayern's problem when the league collapses. When you look after your house, but the neighbours let theirs turn into ruins then the value of your house depreciates.

Especially Lewa was not bought to weaken the the opposition. Lewandowski would have left Dortmund no matter to where. And if such a striker is on the market all top clubs try to get him. Bayern was not the only one. And when the first talks started Bayern was already not satisfied with Gomez - and every top team needs atleast two strikers.

Lewandowkis is good, but there are many strikers as good or better than him. Higuain, Benzema, Aguero, Suarez, RVP, Rooney, Falcao, Cavani, Dzeko and Zlatan are just some of the strikers they could have got instead. Yes Lewandowski had experience in the German league, but I think weakening and disrupting Dortmund was a big incentive in the deal.

How can you weaken Dortmund with a transfer of a player that would have left anyhow...

All of the players you mentioned are already at big clubs and therefore difficult to get - or it is players Bayern never wanted out of different reasons. And - they are a lot more expensive. The being used to Germany especially with the South Americans is very important, too - knowing the language really adds to it.

This good or better depends from what you look after. Lewandowski is a hard working striker. There is some from the mentioned that simply just do not match to Bayern.

 

[supercrystal7]

Especially Lewa was not bought to weaken the the opposition. Lewandowski would have left Dortmund no matter to where. And if such a striker is on the market all top clubs try to get him. Bayern was not the only one. And when the first talks started Bayern was already not satisfied with Gomez - and every top team needs atleast two strikers.

Lewandowkis is good, but there are many strikers as good or better than him. Higuain, Benzema, Aguero, Suarez, RVP, Rooney, Falcao, Cavani, Dzeko and Zlatan are just some of the strikers they could have got instead. Yes Lewandowski had experience in the German league, but I think weakening and disrupting Dortmund was a big incentive in the deal.

How can you weaken Dortmund with a transfer of a player that would have left anyhow...

All of the players you mentioned are already at big clubs and therefore difficult to get - or it is players Bayern never wanted out of different reasons. And - they are a lot more expensive. The being used to Germany especially with the South Americans is very important, too - knowing the language really adds to it.

This good or better depends from what you look after. Lewandowski is a hard working striker. There is some from the mentioned that simply just do not match to Bayern.

He may not have left if he had not been tapped up. Most of the players I mentioned have moved or been available in the last couple of years. The Transfer fee is not a problem, because Bayern are hardly short of money. Nor did Bayern plan on getting Lewandowski for free, so the difference in price would be negligible.

If South American players can come and learn English, settle into the English culture then Germany is not going too hard for them.

Lewandowski is a hardworker, but so are most of the players on that list. Suarez, Rooney and RVP are all harder workers than Lewandowski, whilst Higuain, Benzema, Falcao and Aguero work just as hard. I don't think Lewandowski would fit in any better than say Benzema, Higuain, Rooney, RVP or Falcao. Cavani though would probably have been the best fit.

All in all it does not really matter. Unless Dortmund spend 50 odd million in the summer the gap will only increase.

At the moment Germany accepts the gap, because they have convinced themselves that this Bayern are 'just that good' that no team can compete. When Bayern face PSG, Madrid etc they are going to lose this crutch and face the truth.

 

[Ruhr]

How can you weaken Dortmund with a transfer of a player that would have left anyhow...
rn.

didn´t you want him to buy last season?