We should be topping that group if we want to be progressing in this competition. Juve deserved to reach the final last year but there were not the second best team in Europe, they've lost their spine and we shouldn't be fearing them at all. If things go how you'd expect them to (i know they never do), Us United and Chelsea should all top their group which means probably missing the likes of Bayern and Barcelona in the next round. There's only psg/Real Madrid that you wouldn't want. Arsenal could be in the shit if they finish second and all the English teams top the group. They'd have half the options with one being Barcelona, another being psg/ Real Madrid and the other two a good chance of being Athletico and Valencia.