Coronavirus (2021) thread

[daveiw01]

This is utter bollox. Most drugs are still in clinical trials, even when approved for many years.

Oh, so it's not still in trials then?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

they are entitled to their choices where their bodies are concerned

Sure, and other people are entitled to point out that those choices are selfish, and to impose restrictions on them to limit the dangers their selfish choices have on others.

Just like you're not allowed to smoke in confined public spaces because it endangers others.

 

[daveiw01]

The fact that most have also refused to ware masks when mandated says it all about their selfish nature.
Bottom line: The "Right to life" trumps the "Right to infect anyone I meet"

One of the problems with this statement is that, as you will know, vaccinated people are still infectious.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Oh, so it's not still in trials then?

Try reading what I wrote.

@Octavian have you a much more chunkier explanation earlier, but you paid no attention to that either.

 

[Dage]

Sorry, but your 'guess' is ridiculous, especially given that you went on about what iffery a few posts up.

It's not and I declare my guesses as guesses and don't pretend them to bed the truth like you.

In fact, there are only few better researched medicines/vaccines in the world currently. It is safe and it's working. Deal with it.

A lot of people would die of COVID, if not for the measures to control the virus.

You want your position to be perceived equally in the discussion but are ignoring reality and facts. It's an imposition for the educated and facts orientated majority of the people who yet again face another harsh winter COVID season because of reality ignoring freaks.

Bottom line: we probably have no other tool to discharge the NHS permanently then to make the vaccine obligatory.

 

[daveiw01]

Sure, and other people are entitled to point out that those choices are selfish, and to impose restrictions on them to limit the dangers their selfish choices have on others.

Just like you're not allowed to smoke in confined public spaces because it endangers others.

It's very very different to smoking ffs. I will ask again, still haven't had a genuine, reasoned answer from anyone as yet, though I suspect you'll just dismiss it as 'bollox'...

If we later learn that the vaccines cause serious problems in the medium to long term, how would *you* then feel given youre one of the people willing to force others to take them?

 

[daveiw01]

It's not and I declare my guesses as guesses and don't pretend them to bed the truth like you.

In fact, there are only few better researched medicines/vaccines in the world currently. It is safe and it's working. Deal with it.

A lot of people would die of COVID, if not for the measures to control the virus.

You want your position to be perceived equally in the discussion but are ignoring reality and facts. It's an imposition for the educated and facts orientated majority of the people who yet again face another harsh winter COVID season because of reality ignoring freaks.

Bottom line: we probably have no other tool to discharge the NHS permanently then to make the vaccine obligatory.

Truth? I suggest you re-read my post, I asked a question.

I think your need to call them freaks or idiots etc devalues your argument from the off, anyone that disagrees with you should not automatically be branded an idiot, or freak.

I'll say no more in this thread, as it seems to be getting us nowhere and I'm tired of arguing with the "But, it's for their own good!" brigade.

 

[hgblue]

Whilst I agree it is a person's choice to have or not have a vaccine. Someone who doesn't have it during a pandemic must accept that restrictions will have to apply to their lives till at least the end of the pandemic. Working in heath and care facilities for example.
The fact that most have also refused to ware masks when mandated says it all about their selfish nature.
Bottom line: The "Right to life" trumps the "Right to infect anyone I meet"

Not a particularly persuasive argument when the vaccinated can catch and spread covid and many of the health care workers have natural immunity from previously having covid. It could also be that losing ten of thousands of highly trained professionals will ultimately be much more dangerous to public health than retaining their services and introducing a daily testing regime instead.

 

[BlueAnorak]

One of the problems with this statement is that, as you will know, vaccinated people are still infectious.

No problem at all.
No vaccine is 100% effective.
Satistically a person who is double vaccinated is HALF as likely to pass it on as a someone who is double vaccinated and once treble vaccinated it's 10 times less likely.
You argument is somewhat disingenuous.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

If we later learn that the vaccines cause serious problems in the medium to long term, how would *you* then feel given youre one of the people willing to force others to take them?

Since loaded questions is the order of the day, how do you feel having deaths on your hands caused by the misunderstood you're spreading?

I'm not advocating forcing anyone, I'm saying that choices have consequences.