Incidently I can't see how London can open up without proper safety measures on the Underground, trams and busses.We have to open up the economy soon or the country is fucked. Wales and Scotland are now opening up too and they've gotc areas as bad, if not worse, than the hotspots in England. With track and trace starting up, I think the risk is covered. If it isn't, localised lockdowns will take place.
BTW journalists the use "sources" like that in that article are the biggest fakers/WUMs of all. if they have real evidence, follow it up and publish the data that backs up what the sources have said.
We have to open up the economy soon or the country is fucked. Wales and Scotland are now opening up too and they've gotc areas as bad, if not worse, than the hotspots in England. With track and trace starting up, I think the risk is covered. If it isn't, localised lockdowns will take place.
BTW journalists the use "sources" like that in that article are the biggest fakers/WUMs of all. if they have real evidence, follow it up and publish the data that backs up what the sources have said.
Hmmm. This ain't good.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/sci...me-strategy-hiv-dodge-immune-response-chinese
Essentially, looks like this is likely to hang around and flare up again in people. Really bad in fact. Sars didn't do this, and its a notable difference.
Yeah but the reality is we need to keep this data for the next pandemic.doesn't matter if the data is "unhackable" and stored in the most secure system in the world when there is no clarity on what the data can be used for and by who etc. While I can see an advantage of a centralised solution ( infection heat maps for example ) there is a startling lack if clarity about it all. even the T&C's are using american legal terms so arn't even legally binding in this country.
Google and Apple solution doesn't save any real data to be abused. location data is not taken for example, the only thing stored is a an anonymous device identifier that once you click "infected" your 1 id gets sent to a DB, that "infected" DB is then downloaded to devices where all the risk assemsents are done on device and warnings given on device to tell you that you have been near someone who has now got symptoms.
and more importantly would have been up and running far far quicker.
They won’t get past good day with me...If NHS Test and Trace calls you by phone, the service will be using a single phone number 0300 0135 000. The only website the service will ask you to visit is https://contact-tracing.phe.gov.uk
If you think you have been subjected to, or a victim of, a scam or attempted fraud using Track and Trace or any other fraud you should call 101 or contact Action Fraud on 0300 123 2040. If you or someone else is in immediate danger or risk of harm dial 999.
Contact tracers will never ask residents to dial a premium rate number such as those starting 09 or 087, never request payment, ask for any bank account details, for social media identities or login details, or those of your contacts, will never ask for any passwords or ask to set up any passwords or PINs.
They will never ask you to purchase a product or to download any software to your device or ask you to hand over control of your computer, smartphone or tablet, will never ask you to access any website that does not belong to the Government or NHS.
You have a point I grant you that.Yes, I know, and I actually agree. My point is a transparency/honest thing once again, if that's the case that they just need to open for the economy right now, why pretend that they'll only do it when its safe and right? Why give all that covid alert bullshit if they're not gonna stick to it? You might believe they are, I don't think they are at all. I think the people leading us are liars. Compulsive liars in fact. I suspect we don't agree on this.
I am totally fine with us opening up, if everything possible is being done to protect us. I just don't think it is. As you have repeatedly said - no mask advice. You also just posted about measures to protect people on the tubes. We won't do anything on this either. I think we should have had a proven, working track and trace system fully operational before we got back to normal personally. But we don't yet, and we just don't know if it'll work. But we'll open anyway. And this is why what happens in competent, organised countries like South Korea won't, in my opinion, work here. It's a half-arsed copy job without the intrinsic detail needed to cut risks at every corner. I might be wrong, but given its our government doing it, I'm sceptical. They've lost any remnants of trust I had for them. You may feel different, fair enough.
Not so sure ,new cases and deaths in general, but especially Lothian and Glasgow have really dropped this past 5 days. New cases across Scotland have been around 30 and deaths 20-30. I know it’s only a rough extrapolation but multiply for population by 10 it’s equivalent to 300 cases and 2-300 deaths per day in England.The new cases being the most relevant figure.We have to open up the economy soon or the country is fucked. Wales and Scotland are now opening up too and they've got areas as bad, if not worse, than the hotspots in England. With track and trace starting up, I think the risk is covered. If it isn't, localised lockdowns will take place.
BTW journalists that use "sources" like in that article are the biggest fakers/WUMs of all. if they have real evidence, follow it up and publish the data that backs up what the sources have said.
Boris’ fault.So, first day of Phase 1 in Scotland and if today in my street is anything to go by, people visiting other people’s houses are going to give zero fucks about social distancing. Visitors wandering in and out of the house, just basically acting like the pandemic is over. Maybe I’m a miserable bastard but I just don’t get the selfishness on display. Especially when so many people don’t show obvious symptoms.
Sadly, not that surprised.
Don’t get me started ;)Boris’ fault.
This comes as no surprise. There is a reason why eight weeks of lockdown didnt kill the virus outbreak stone dead.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/29/coronavirus-symptoms-not-isolating-sage-track-and-trace
Track and trace is going to have to enforce isolation to work.
That sounds pollen related to me. My dad has had a seasonal cough from May to June for the last 20 years.My mum has had a really mild cough for the past couple of weeks. A proper 'ahem' clearing of the throat kind of one. Honestly nowt serious, but still there. Now she's not been anywhere thankfukky, but given she's had no other symptoms and feels totally fine, she's put it down to spending more time in the garden due to being furloughed and hay-fever in general. She's probably right, but imagine how many others feel this way and have gone to the shops with the mildest of coughs etc? I don't know if a mild cough is the only symptom people can get, but I'd not be surprised at all. I bet vast amounts have felt like they haven't got it, because they presume covid coughs are terrible, not mild.
If it is, and admittedly its a big IF, symptoms can be mild, and you can spread, we desperately need to increase the messaging on this so the public realises.
That might be true of our shambolic efforts. In Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea etc they might disagree with you however. Do you not find this astonishing?Track and trace is a government ruse to convince those they’ve scared the living daylights out of that it’s safe to go back to work.
That sounds pollen related to me. My dad has had a seasonal cough from May to June for the last 20 years.
Good point.Oh yeah I believe it is too! Just an anecdotal example though. I reckon most with mild symptoms think they haven't got it.
South Korea also have a higher population density. Although one thing I would say is that it's a lot easier to track and trace when you don't have thousands of active cases, as you don't when you get it up and running quickly rather than a few months into the crisis.That might be true of our shambolic efforts. In Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea etc they might disagree with you however. Do you not find this astonishing?
South Korea
Population: 52m
Average age 42
10 People had died from COVID-19 by: Feb 25
Extensive Testing from Day1: Yes
Contact Tracing: Yes
Face Masks: Yes
Deaths: 269
UK
Population 67m
Average Age: 40
10 People had died from COVID-19 by: March 13
Extensive Testing from Day1: No
Contact tracing: No
Face Masks: No
Deaths: 37,837