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Psychedelic Casual said:
Ive been saying this since the start. Your average teenager isn’t going to watch the News, many won’t even know what time it’s on, some never watch tele and live their lives on their phones or games consoles.

Role models for these people need to be bashing out comments on social media every day to get through to them.
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I don't even think it's "to get through to them", I think they've all had the message and are generally sick of hearing it, but if the people they look up to explain why they should be careful to avoid the virus (and it's not just youngsters either), and not spread it, they might follow the regulations.

I also think that with so many regulations in different places (tiers/levels/areas) we need to simplify it, into something everyone can follow, and not some daft slogan every 5 or 6 weeks. I mean how many of the population of say Ilkeston 4 miles from the edge of Nottingham, actually know where the border with Nottinghamshire is ? Yet many probably work there.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Is this figure right? 376 deaths yesterday?

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Its not easy to confirm, as when numbers are released many get added to other days previously.

The last 7 days data shows totals of 183, 199, 210, 171 (w), 169 (w), 188, 184, on the day people actually died.
 
Manc in London said:
I am fortunate as my employer would rather we did not go in. No pressure at all, organisation wide, at least. Of course, it may be different with the odd team here and there.

Is there a reason why your employer wants people back? Does it affect the business? A lack of trust?

I have a suspicion in some organisations, the management don't like it as they think staff may be slacking. I have little sympathy. Managers are paid to manage. They should manage the situation, including the performance management off staff. I work closely with my HR Director and Chief Exec. I know they are aware some managers think a few of their staff are slacking. However, the view of the Chief Exec and HR Director is that they think those managers feel that way because they are incompetent and unable to deal with situation. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Ours is a small company (around 150 in our group) and around 10 in our office when full. Personally I think we need perhaps two people in a day for the business to continue operating efficiently. He wants everyone back but on a rota and this includes people close to 60 and a couple with minor health issues. For me there will always be a natural drop off at home but this is offset by the amount of time some staff spent chatting in the office anyway. The government guidance is very woolly on this issue too. They want people to work from home but ultimately left it open to interpretation as to whether this is possible. Our company seem to be veering towards the it’s not possible. I would disagree. It’s very hard to question things too much in a small company though as a couple of people have been made redundant recently (both of who were working from home!

I do think there is some risk in offices as all windows are generally closed at this time of year and familiarity with colleagues can lead to distancing etc being relaxed.

I’m all for getting things moving again where possible but I think there has to be an element of caution too, particularly in the North West.
 
Seems Germany who were praised at the start of the outbreak for their rapid lock down and track and trace system, are admitting this may have only put off/delayed the inevitable spread. Just reading they feel they are now still at the start of it with worse to come. Numbers are rising rapidly despite having all the measures they had at the start plus new methods/data.

Reading up on how they reacted at the start, it would seem the only way to reduce the R number effectively is a total lock down again. But that then just puts it off.
If Germany is now struggling (and are deemed to have done everything correctly)it makes you question how much Track and Trace, bubbles and masks really help.
I assume they help lessen the burden on hospitals at least.

An effective vaccine appears to be the only solution long term. This also depending on how long they last as well.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Is the level of people ignoring the rules generally that bad??

I see lots of posts on here commenting about selfish bastards that simply refuse to obey the rules.

Where I live I see hardly any failures to observe the rules

Is it really that bad?
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In a word, Yes.
 
mosssideblue said:
Do you not apportion any blame to those passing on the virus?
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Different issue here, sorry I got side tracked. I am against final year exams this year simply because different kids are getting different levels of teaching depending on where they live and how prevalent the virus is. Three weeks of extra tuition for all, which is Gavin Williamson's idea, cannot level the playing field. He is not up to the job and i have written to my local MP to tell her that twice.

I don't have any issue at all with her self isolating. We religiously abide by all rules and are extra careful in our household One of my daughters has had this virus and very sadly my mother in law died of it in the spring.
 
cleavers said:
Even the German Track and Trace system seems to have broken according to Merkel, they were praised for it through much of the year, and it's more "local" than ours can be (without a major rethink here), but she's admitted it's not working, with current case numbers, I'd say it's pretty impossible to fix ours, and even if it had been perfect, it would have been falling apart by now.
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It can't be fixed unless you use mobile phone and card payment tracking technology as South Korea, Taiwan and Japan have done.
We haven't so we won't.
 
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GM scoreboard:

Manchester 441 - up from 437. Total cases 19,146. Weekly 2725. Pop score up 80 to enter the 3400 club at 3463. Weekly Pop down 10 to 493.

Wigan 335 - down from 394. Total cases 9811. Weekly 2220. New record. Pop score up 102 to enter the 2900 club at 2985. Will be the next to enter the 3000s tomorrow. Weekly Pop up 6 to 675.

Oldham 306 - up from 238. Total cases 8893. Weekly 1667. Pop score up a huge 129 (new record) to enter the 3700 club at 3751. Weekly Pop score up 23 to be first GM borough into the 700s at 703 and in the top 3 worst in the UK.

Bolton 256 - down from 265. Total cases 9746. Weekly 1663. Pop score up 89 to 3389. Weekly Pop up 9 to 578.

Rochdale 238 - up from 232. Total cases 7777. Weekly 1344. Pop score up 107 to enter the 3400 club at 3497. Weekly Pop actually fell slightly to 605.

Stockport 236 - up from 202 to new record here. Three consecutive in 200s and 50% increase in a week. Total cases 6621. Weekly 1289. Highest ever weekly numbers. Total up by a third in under a week. Pop score up by 80 - a record for here - to enter the 2200 club at 2256 just 3 days after entering the 2000s. Weekly Pop up biggest in GM today to 435 a 40% rise in past week showing it is the current borough in most need of concern. This is how Bolton started.

Salford 227 - big fall from 293. First time Salford has been below Stockport in weeks. Total cases 8047. Weekly 1556. Pop score up 88 to enter 3100 club at 3109. Weekly Pop down to 601.

Tameside 186 - down from 200. Total cases 6576. Weekly 1194. Pop score up 82 to enter the 2900 club at 2903. Weekly Pop 527.

Bury 163 - down from 174. Total cases 5996. Weekly 1054. Pop score up 85 to enter the 3100 club at 3139. Weekly Pop stable at 551.

Trafford 141 - down from 171. With Bury the only town not to have crossed the 200 boundary. Yet. Total cases 5817, Weekly 1026. Best in GM. Pop score up 60 to enter the 2400 club at 2451. Lowest rise in GM today and made up a whopping 20 points on Stockport in the chase for top Pop Score in GM which has long looked a lost cause. Gap now 195. Weekly Pop 432. Meaning it takes over from Stockport as having the lowest current Pop score in GM.

All in all a very good day for Trafford - right now the only borough seemingly in any control of things. Worth trying to find out what they are doing right.

Though, of course, this can change quickly over coming days.
 
fulabeer said:
Seems Germany who were praised at the start of the outbreak for their rapid lock down and track and trace system, are admitting this may have only put off/delayed the inevitable spread. Just reading they feel they are now still at the start of it with worse to come. Numbers are rising rapidly despite having all the measures they had at the start plus new methods/data.

Reading up on how they reacted at the start, it would seem the only way to reduce the R number effectively is a total lock down again. But that then just puts it off.
If Germany is now struggling (and are deemed to have done everything correctly)it makes you question how much Track and Trace, bubbles and masks really help.
I assume they help lessen the burden on hospitals at least.

An effective vaccine appears to be the only solution long term. This also depending on how long they last as well.
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The have worked fantastically well in the Far East. Maybe European people are just not compliant enough. I think it’s almost inevitable the way things are going that we will be under some new lockdown in the next 3-4 weeks. Is Tier 3 strong enough? I’m not sure.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Is this figure right? 376 deaths yesterday?

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www.worldometers.info

United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
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It was 367 not 376. That was the all settings death number in UK yesterday.

I post it every evening about 4 pm in here when it is released.

It was 310 today.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Amazon product ASIN B07CVQX39QInvest in one of these. Highly accurate and an early indicator of a drop in blood oxygen levels.
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I have one of those now since mine dropped to ninety in hospital . One of interesting things they are finding in icu is that patients with really low levels like low eighties can look fine , chatting and not breathless , it is a strange phenomamon( sp)
 
kaz7 said:
I have one of those now since mine dropped to ninety in hospital . One of interesting things they are finding in icu is that patients with really low levels like low eighties can look fine , chatting and not breathless , it is a strange phenomamon( sp)
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what does it idealy need to be at Kaz+
 
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