David Silva - 2016/17 performances

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He's a victim of his own talent. Invariably when DeBruyne starts on the left he spends the game sulking and hiding behind his full back, not getting involved. The first half against Barca and second half against Boro being prime examples.

Gundogan doesn't have the skillset to play on the left.

So it's left for Silva to move out wide because he will always do his best for the team and will always show feet and get involved in play no matter where he is on the pitch.

Silva is far better in the middle in our current system than he is on the left. He's the one player who always makes a passing angle for our back 4 to link up play and dictate the game. That's why Pep moved him in to the middle in the 2nd half yesterday, because Gundogan and DeBruyne weren't showing feet enough.

But the frustrating thing is, we have better options to play on the left than Silva or DeBruyne. Nolito is better for our system on the left than both of them.

Since Gundogan came in to the team our league form has fallen off a cliff. It's not his fault, he's a fine player and has been superb in most of his recent games.

But we started the season playing in the main a classic 433. Fernandinho holding, Silva and DeBruyne as 8s and two specialist wingers. Since Gundogan came in, we've had three number 8s to fit in to two positions and three in to two won't go.

So either we moved to a back three and have 4 central midfielders, which in the main hasn't worked at all, or Silva / DeBruyne have moved wide. Because DeBruyne has been so anonymous wide, Silva has been shifted out there because he'll give his all for the team no matter what.

We've played our best football playing 433. The first 10 games with Dinho, Silva and DeBruyne looked the most balanced, most dominant, most fluid set up for me, we looked unstoppable.

Then DeBruyne and Gundogan with Dinho behind against Borussia we looked brilliant too. Silva and Gundogan with Dinho behind against West Brom we were superb as well. But when all three of Silva, DeBruyne and Gundogan have played together, in the main we've not been the same team.

The most obvious example where it did work was Barca on Tuesday, The second half we were incredible. But the difference is in that game is we had 30% possession. Our game plan was to press their back 4 and Busquets and hit them quickly on the counter-press, similar to what Liverpool did to us last season. It worked a treat. Kevin DeBruyne is probably the best player in the world to play that system.

But the problem is, we won't play Barca every week. It's likely we'll have more possession in every league game this season, so we can't set up to counter-press.

So in conclusion, for me our best shape is 433. Fernandinho is undroppable as the pivot. So then it should be two from three for the other two positions. Two of Silva, Gundogan and DeBruyne. It's a shame because they are probably 3 of our 4 best players alongside Aguero.

DeBruyne is the best when we're counter attacking at pace, Silva is the best when we need control of the ball and patience to break down a deep lying team, and Gundogan is the most physically suited to the role and has played as an 8 his whole career.

It's a really tough decision for Pep but in the main I think it will be best for the team to only play 2 out of the 3 in most league games. The team looks more balanced that way and the team has to come first.
 
Emotion continues to cloud judgement..... he has been a fantastic player for us, and I'm sure David is a lovely lad, however, he doesn't make it in the top 5 of city greats..

For you and PB, maybe but there are plenty of us who disagree.

My first match was in '96 so I can't speak about the previous greats. However, he's the best I've seen in the last 20 years.

5. De Bruyne (so far)
4. Yaya
3. Aguero
2. Tevez
1. Silva

That's how I see it and you're perfectly entitled to disagree but 'emotion clouds judgement' doesn't come in to it as there are two players in that list who I have little emotional connection with.

We're all emotionally involved and that could also be a reason why plenty of our players get undue stick whenever we get a disappointing result.
 
And statements like that is why people don't take you seriously. Even in the current era, Tevez, Toure and Aguero have been better players. And then there's the others I've seen like Bell, Summerbee, Lee & Tueart, Plus players like Peter Doherty and Billy Meredith from an earlier era.

Funny, you say he "can't be taken seriously" for saying Silva is our best player because it's only his opinion, and you dismiss it by listing players who were better in your opinion.

You're not qualified to tell him who was better, it's just your opinion, so I'm not sure why you expect to be taken seriously and suggest @Bluwhit shouldn't be?

I never saw Bell or Dogherty so I can't comment on them. But this is our best team ever. I've seen pretty much every game Silva, Yaya, Tevez and Aguero have ever played for City.

They're probably our 4 best players of the modern era and not too much between them. But if I had to pick one I'd say Silva is the best I've ever seen. His intelligence, technique, consistency, vision, willingness to get on the ball at all times and final ball set him apart as the best for me. Tens of thousands of blues agree.

Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher and Paul Scholes have all called him the best player in the league at different times, and they know a thing or two about football. The lads I go to the game with think Silva is the best of the modern era. Thousands of other blues do too.

The BBC asked him a couple of years ago how it felt to be considered possibly City's best ever player and how he felt at the possibility of having a stand named after him following the wishes of thousands of fans and he dealt with the question with typical humility and class.

There's no right or wrong answer on who is the best (unless you say Kinkladze, as that is the wrong answer) it's subjective. You say Bluwhit "can't be taken seriously" for suggesting Silva is our greatest ever. You're wrong. The only thing that can't be taken seriously is your suggestion that Silva isn't in the conversation.
 
For you and PB, maybe but there are plenty of us who disagree.

My first match was in '96 so I can't speak about the previous greats. However, he's the best I've seen in the last 20 years.

5. De Bruyne (so far)
4. Yaya
3. Aguero
2. Tevez
1. Silva

That's how I see it and you're perfectly entitled to disagree but 'emotion clouds judgement' doesn't come in to it as there are two players in that list who I have little emotional connection with.

We're all emotionally involved and that could also be a reason why plenty of our players get undue stick whenever we get a disappointing result.
I'm a semi-recent City fan - since about 2009 or so.

For me, our best players since that time are:

1) Tevez
2) Aguero
3) Silva
4) Yaya
5) KDB

So pretty much the same cast as you - but Tevez was phenomenal for me - too bad he was a total basket case emotionally.
 
Jesus anyone putting KDB on any list needs to give their head a wobble.

Yes, he looks like the best footballer in the world RIGHT NOW, but he hasnt done anything outside of ONE GAME vs Barca to earn such placement. Of course, he may well do it this year, but seriously come back when we've won some trophies with the lad and he's been integral to them.

Same people probably wanted Pep out after a draw. Flap culture.
 
Funny, you say he "can't be taken seriously" for saying Silva is our best player because it's only his opinion, and you dismiss it by listing players who were better in your opinion.

You're not qualified to tell him who was better, it's just your opinion, so I'm not sure why you expect to be taken seriously and suggest @Bluwhit shouldn't be?

Its called debate.

I had this yesterday with several posters telling me off with the "its his opinion" defence.

It was my opinion to tell them they where wrong, as its @Prestwich_Blue in this instance.
 
Am I allowed to say that my grandad is regarded as one but was an absolute ****???

Emotion continues to cloud judgement..... he has been a fantastic player for us, and I'm sure David is a lovely lad, however, he doesn't make it in the top 5 of city greats..


In your opinion.

A subjective view, which you are perfectly entitled to , but the opinion will not be unanimous across the full range of supporters
 
Jesus anyone putting KDB on any list needs to give their head a wobble.

Yes, he looks like the best footballer in the world RIGHT NOW, but he hasnt done anything outside of ONE GAME vs Barca to earn such placement. Of course, he may well do it this year, but seriously come back when we've won some trophies with the lad and he's been integral to them.

Same people probably wanted Pep out after a draw. Flap culture.


I know this isn't a De Bruyne thread but... one game against Barca? You're on the windup, right? He's been integral in nearly everything that has gone right for us over the last twelve months. And you do know what 'so far' means? (It means he could go to number one or he could disappear entirely, just in case).
 
I'm a semi-recent City fan - since about 2009 or so.

For me, our best players since that time are:

1) Tevez
2) Aguero
3) Silva
4) Yaya
5) KDB

So pretty much the same cast as you - but Tevez was phenomenal for me - too bad he was a total basket case emotionally.

I have to say that when Tevez turned up I hadn't seen a single player with as much quality for us. A huge milestone.
 
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