Devolution For The Regions - Gtr Manchester

[west didsblue]

Why are they being consulted then, and being asked to contribute to the strategy, if they have no influence?

One simple question and your whole argument falls to pieces. Utterly deluded.

You said nothing about contributing to a national strategy earlier. Contribute is not a synonym of formulate.

There’s a clear risk of contradiction in allowing devolved regions, each with their own self-interest and agenda, to formulate a national strategy.

You aren’t the brightest are you.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Nothing at all. But you need to see the wider implications of this huge scheme on thousands of small struggling businesses in the greater Manchester area. It particularly adversely affected the smaller companies.

It totally affected small business’.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Where did I say I was an expert in running a business? Thought you were near Stoke anyway so why are you so bothered about a clean air zone 40 miles away? Do you get as pissed off about other regulations and rules that you need to adhere to to run your business or do you save it for things that the Daily Mail tells you to be upset about.

I don't work in the place of my username, I don't read the daily mail, and I voted Labour for the first time in my life last week.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

This is known as Hoshin Kanri. Business 101 stuff.

You can’t effectively drive change through an entire organisation unless the overarching goals of the executive are filtered down and reflected through all levels of the hierarchy. Every sub-unit is a contributor to the overall output, the sub-units need to know what they should prioritise and in exchange the executive needs to know what contributions are to be expected from which sub-units. This is exactly what they are doing judging by the “bring information on your local specialisms” comment. You simply can’t have a comprehensive national industrial strategy without buy-in and alignment with the regions. It’d be like trying to swim with your limbs tied up.

Good to see we finally have a government that understands that doing your own thing and hoping everybody just follows suit is not effective best practice.

 

[Brewster's millions]

You said nothing about contributing to a national strategy earlier. Contribute is not a synonym of formulate.

You aren’t the brightest are you.

You may want to read the article again, particularly the section outlining how the local leaders are being asked to formulate their own regional growth plans. As part of a major devolution of power away from central government.

Has the penny dropped yet? Sadly I think not.

 

[Brewster's millions]

I don't work in the place of my username, I don't read the daily mail, and I voted Labour for the first time in my life last week.

You know he’s lost the argument when he starts throwing around the Daily Mail stuff.

 

[west didsblue]

You may want to read the article again, particularly the section outlining how the local leaders are being asked to formulate their own regional growth plans. As part of a major devolution of power away from central government.

Has the penny dropped yet? Sadly I think not.

Formulating a regional growth plan is not formulating a national strategy.

 

[west didsblue]

It totally affected small business’.

It hasn’t actually happened yet.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Formulating a regional growth plan is not formulating a national strategy.

If the strategy is being increasingly devolved, the national plan would ultimately become the collection of regional plans. As a collective, the regions would increasingly determine the national plan.

Not a difficult concept. But what a fascinating argument, this contribute/formulate thing. One of your best, I must say, and I’ve particularly enjoyed seeing you tell @Churchlawtonblue how he should be running his business (when he’s not reading the Daily Mail that is).

Can’t wait to see what pearls of wisdom you offer up tomorrow.

 

[mackenzie]

Has the lone Tory Mayor's interview been mentioned yet? (Sorry, bit knackered now, after getting up to go to work after about 4 sodding hours of sleep). Thought he spoke well of the meeting, and Starmer in particular. Plus he wasn't afraid to diss on the Tory shambles.

 

[west didsblue]

If the strategy is being increasingly devolved, the national plan would ultimately become the collection of regional plans. As a collective, the regions would increasingly determine the national plan.

Not a difficult concept. But what a fascinating argument, this contribute/formulate thing. One of your best, I must say, and I’ve particularly enjoyed seeing you tell @Churchlawtonblue how he should be running his business (when he’s not reading the Daily Mail that is).

Can’t wait to see what pearls of wisdom you offer up tomorrow.

You’re just embarrassing yourself now trying to justify that you meant one thing when you clearly said something else.

It’s ok to admit you were wrong. It’s less embarrassing than pretending there’s some convoluted explanation for your idiocy.

 

[metalblue]

Which century are you talking about?

1960s. Relevance to my point?

 

[west didsblue]

1960s. Relevance to my point?

Not exactly sure of your point but if it was that it was Labour’s fault that Birmingham’s wealth declined relative to London, I think that’s somewhat simplistic. As services became dominant in the economy London became more and more important to the national economy and areas that were manufacturing focused like Birmingham became less important. That happened over many decades and can’t be pinned on one party, although the biggest change was in the 1980s under Thatcher when her policies laid waste to large areas of northern England and focussed wealth on the big cities particularly London through the growth of the service sector. Apologies if you were saying something different.

 

[metalblue]

Not exactly sure of your point but if it was that it was Labour’s fault that Birmingham’s wealth declined relative to London, I think that’s somewhat simplistic. As services became dominant in the economy London became more and more important to the national economy and areas that were manufacturing focused like Birmingham became less important. That happened over many decades and can’t be pinned on one party, although the biggest change was in the 1980s under Thatcher when her policies laid waste to large areas of northern England and focussed wealth on the big cities particularly London through the growth of the service sector. Apologies if you were saying something different.

Well Labour effectively prohibited new business setting up in and around Birmingham reducing it to the motor trade and BL so Birmingham decline is all on Labour’s policy as it was then - it was, I believe, well intended policy. The move to services also stems from another Labour policy around the discovery of North Sea gas and a deliberate decline in manufacturing as they saw gas and then oil as a better per capita return - that transition was late 60s early 70s - It’s certainly debatable who did more for the decline of manufacturing in the UK. The view it is all on thatcher doesn’t entirely stand up to scrutiny.

My point was around London’s financial dominance.

 

[Bluesince1979]

It hasn’t actually happened yet.

Sorry the plan ‘would’ totally affect small business’. It would cripple some.
Also affect customers in a big way too

 

[Worsleyweb]

I guess the others must be non-jobs in your world.

She graduated from Manchester University in 2007 with a degree in politics and modern history and later gaining a postgraduate in Local Government Management from Warwick Business School and a MA in public policy and governance from UoM, both whilst working full time. She has held a range of jobs across local government, higher education and working for the trade union UNISON.

Before she was appointed as deputy leader of the council in May 2021, she spent four years as executive member for adult services, health, wellbeing and inclusion. She was also deputy chair of Manchester Health and Care Commissioning and co-chair of the Manchester Local Care Organisation

She has worked in a Chinese in the real world

 

[Worsleyweb]

Yes but she’s got a degree. I thought that’s all that mattered as far as you’re concerned judging by the amount you went on about Rayner’s NVQ.

No Raynor never had a job in the real
World too. I have just seen a picture of Jess Phillips. You couldn’t make this up. She looks like a character from little Britain.

We are truly and utterly fucked.

Don’t fare what you say if these people came for a job with me I would laugh. They are ruining our country. It’s terrifying. We are absolutely fucked trust me.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

No Raynor never had a job in the real
World too. I have just seen a picture of Jess Phillips. You couldn’t make this up. She looks like a character from little Britain.

We are truly and utterly fucked.

Don’t fare what you say if these people came for a job with me I would laugh. They are ruining our country. It’s terrifying. We are absolutely fucked trust me.

So people that work in care homes don't have jobs in the real world?

That's a disgusting attitude towards working class women doing hard graft that's also emotionally demanding for very little money, if that's what you believe.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

No Raynor never had a job in the real
World too. I have just seen a picture of Jess Phillips. You couldn’t make this up. She looks like a character from little Britain.

We are truly and utterly fucked.

Don’t fare what you say if these people came for a job with me I would laugh. They are ruining our country. It’s terrifying. We are absolutely fucked trust me.

It may just be people like yourself that are fucked as you think that they’re coming for your money, most people without it should be happy that you are giving it to them ;-)

 

[Worsleyweb]

It may just be people like yourself that are fucked as you think that they’re coming for your money, most people without it should be happy that you are giving it to them ;-)

I have no idea what you are talking about.