Did Mancini hold us back?

[moomba]

Say what you want about Mancini but you cannot question his desire to win and Mancini won Manchester City the title

He did, and that's a fantastic achievement.
But, had our freakish once-in-a-lifetime win over the weakest Manchester United side for many many years been just 5-1, instead of 6-1, they would have won the league. I'm not trying to belittle our title win, but it was more a case of United loosing the plot than Mancini's managerial qualities winning it.

Why would 5-1 have won them the league?

 

[taconinja]

That has been my belief for most of this season,i think the EDS has also suffered to some degree.

I just want to pretend this season never happened,its been awful.

It really hasn't been awful.

-- Wed May 15, 2013 9:23 am --

Got to be a WUM.

Not at all. We have some very good individual players but I think many of them are rather one dimensional and not capable of playing in a much different way than they have been doing this season.

I think that you may also see that even with a new manager next year, not a great deal will change unless a fairly hefty amount is spent.

That's what i think about us too. We've got some very talented players but some very average players for a so called top side. We're not as good as many think we are or should be.

Especially in central midfield. We go into the next CL campaign with the same central midfield and we'll be eviscerated. Again.

 

[BobKowalski]

Say what you want about Mancini but you cannot question his desire to win and Mancini won Manchester City the title

He did, and that's a fantastic achievement.
But, had our freakish once-in-a-lifetime win over the weakest Manchester United side for many many years been just 5-1, instead of 6-1, they would have won the league. I'm not trying to belittle our title win, but it was more a case of United loosing the plot than Mancini's managerial qualities winning it.

Says the man trying not to belittle our title win by-er-belittling it...

 

[jauganaut]

Say what you want about Mancini but you cannot question his desire to win and Mancini won Manchester City the title

He did, and that's a fantastic achievement.
But, had our freakish once-in-a-lifetime win over the weakest Manchester United side for many many years been just 5-1, instead of 6-1, they would have won the league. I'm not trying to belittle our title win, but it was more a case of United loosing the plot than Mancini's managerial qualities winning it.

What??????
What the hell are you talking about.
Either you are not a Manchester City fan or you dont know how to read the premier league table.
Let me help you

http://espnfc.com/tables/_/league/eng.1/season/2011/barclays-premier-league?cc=5901

Goal Difference was +8
So unless yout math is based on alternate theories then the scenario you've described would have resulted in a +7 GD.
Ergo we would have still won the title

 

[taconinja]

Say what you want about Mancini but you cannot question his desire to win and Mancini won Manchester City the title

He did, and that's a fantastic achievement.
But, had our freakish once-in-a-lifetime win over the weakest Manchester United side for many many years been just 5-1, instead of 6-1, they would have won the league. I'm not trying to belittle our title win, but it was more a case of United loosing the plot than Mancini's managerial qualities winning it.

What??????
What the hell are you talking about.
Either you are not a Manchester City fan or you dont know how to read the ptemier league table.
Let me help you

http://espnfc.com/tables/_/league/eng.1/season/2011/barclays-premier-league?cc=5901

Goal Difference was +8
So unless yout math is based on an alternate theorys then the scenario you've desctibrd woukd have resulted in a +7 GD.
Ergo we would have still won the title

As it was head-to-head, wouldn't that have made it +6 GD? Or is my inability to math rearing its head again?

Not that it would alter your point.

 

[CaptainCarlos]

A lot of you are gonna be in for a rude awakening!

 

[jauganaut]

He did, and that's a fantastic achievement.
But, had our freakish once-in-a-lifetime win over the weakest Manchester United side for many many years been just 5-1, instead of 6-1, they would have won the league. I'm not trying to belittle our title win, but it was more a case of United loosing the plot than Mancini's managerial qualities winning it.

What??????
What the hell are you talking about.
Either you are not a Manchester City fan or you dont know how to read the ptemier league table.
Let me help you

http://espnfc.com/tables/_/league/eng.1/season/2011/barclays-premier-league?cc=5901

Goal Difference was +8
So unless yout math is based on an alternate theorys then the scenario you've desctibrd woukd have resulted in a +7 GD.
Ergo we would have still won the title

As it was head-to-head, wouldn't that have made it +6 GD? Or is my inability to math rearing its head again?

Not that it would alter your point.

No, I don't think so.
93 which is total amount of goals scored minus 29 for goals conceded results in a total of 64.
Using the same method to calculate United's yields 56.
The fact that united scored one goal at home did not alter the difference
So why should it if we scored one less
Ofcourse I'm speaking based on your head to head hypothesis

 

[BobKowalski]

What??????
What the hell are you talking about.
Either you are not a Manchester City fan or you dont know how to read the ptemier league table.
Let me help you

http://espnfc.com/tables/_/league/eng.1/season/2011/barclays-premier-league?cc=5901

Goal Difference was +8
So unless yout math is based on an alternate theorys then the scenario you've desctibrd woukd have resulted in a +7 GD.
Ergo we would have still won the title

As it was head-to-head, wouldn't that have made it +6 GD? Or is my inability to math rearing its head again?

Not that it would alter your point.

No, I don't think so.
93 which is total amount of goals scored minus 29 for goals conceded results in a total of 64.
Using the same method to calculate United's yields 56.
The fact that united scored one goal at home did not alter the difference
So why should it if we scored one less

Because it was against us 1 goal scored shows in both our 'for' and 'against' column ie we go down 1 and up 1 making it a +6 difference.

Still would have won the title though...

 

[jauganaut]

As it was head-to-head, wouldn't that have made it +6 GD? Or is my inability to math rearing its head again?

Not that it would alter your point.

No, I don't think so.
93 which is total amount of goals scored minus 29 for goals conceded results in a total of 64.
Using the same method to calculate United's yields 56.
The fact that united scored one goal at home did not alter the difference
So why should it if we scored one less

Because it was against us 1 goal scored shows in both our 'for' and 'against' column ie we go down 1 and up 1 making it a +6 difference.

Still would have won the title though...

Haha.
I didn't think that through.
Both of you are right. Thanks

 

[Eaglechief]

That has been my belief for most of this season,i think the EDS has also suffered to some degree.

I just want to pretend this season never happened,its been awful.

Drama Queen.