"Disappointing" attendances

[Keeper!]

A bit north of 100K

The Richard Mille 'RM27-01 Rafa Nadal' was originally on sale for around €750,000 euros but is now worth somewhere in the region of €1.5 million, if you can find someone to sell you one. Only 50 of this model were made.

The 27-01 made history as the then lightest tourbillon watch ever made, at just 18.83 grams, including the strap.

Richard Mille the masters of marketing, nice watch but highly overrated.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Not until next week Its show as a notification on your account this can be ignored

2 weeks today I believe but that's another factor, with people knowing that the money for a very high-priced game is coming out soon.

It was always believed that football was largely 'price inelastic', with the cost having very little impact, if any, on demand. That's now proven not to be the case, as clubs like ours and United have increasingly milked their fans financially and pushed them to the limit of what they can afford. When you also take into account the fact there's a largely finite number of fans, particularly at City where success has only been relatively recent. In the old days, we might have been looking at 21 homes games a season, in a good year. Now it's usually nearer 30, a 35-40% increase. And that's against a background of austerity and stagnation in real wages over the last 10 years.

Pep should visit some of our OSC branches in the more deprived or working class areas to get some first-hand insight into the people he's criticising. And, at the same time, we should be getting ruthless with the BBC and telling them they're all persona non grata until they get the message that we aren't going to be the butt of their snidey jibes any longer.

 

[Keeper!]

Some of the ridiculous comments on this thread about our most successful Manager EVER,just because he made a comment that he hoped the fans would get behind the team and have a bigger turnout was nothing to even discuss.
Some of the biggest whingers on this site are the ones who don`t even go to games.
Some people need to get a fucking spine and grow a pair of hairy ones.

His record is irrelevant and he is not above critisism.

His comments were out of order and unnecessary, especially after his comments in the pre match press conference about too much football.

 

[Blue Feather]

Thought it was a very good attendance all things considered and a bit disappointed with Pep's response. Reply should have been the amount of games (he says that often himself when it suits), the time, the money and that our supporters have to work for a living. Could have added that we enjoy 54000 league crowds, sell out our away allocation in 4 competitions and very grateful for the continued support of our fans which has gone back many years. Appreciate he perhaps wanted to stir us up for rags and Real but could have done it better

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I don’t believe if fans had millions the ground would be full every week. We have reached saturation and going to the match isn’t special any more. We’ve all done it when the game we plan to go to is on TV and we just can’t be bothered.

Night games for me are an absolute chore. Getting home late and having to get up early is a really pain. Shame, as they used to be my very favourite. I know this to be the case with fans of other clubs but it’s only a media issue with us.

I think Pep’s comments were more about his frustrations with our, usually, poor home support. The lack of passion really is bizarre. I often think he must wonder what it would take to excite our fans into creating a wonderful atmosphere. Unlike us, who have been around for years, he’s only witnessed a handful of these occasions. It clearly takes more than having our best ever team and most successful period to get the Mancunian heart beating faster.

The atmosphere has been poor at every Premier League ground I have attended in recent years with very few exceptions. This issue is not unique to City. I think it's a generational thing with too many fans looking at their phones etc etc. A lot of people seem to have low attention spans. The other big reason is kick-off times. The 12.30pm games are hopeless (as was yesterday's Sunday 1pm) I don't think we should beat ourselves up about this.

 

[blueinsa]

Then use Newcastle as the example of how to do it
Bearing in mind the fans hate the board and team haven’t won a thing in my lifetime

The place is a quarter fucking empty most weeks!

 

[red 2 hats]

Getting a bit pissed off with Pep constantly having a dig at the fans, we take enough shit from the media and rival fans without our manager joining the party, never heard him criticise Bayern fans or his beloved Barca fans, but it's fine for him to have a pop at us.

I didn't go yesterday, I'm going on Wednesday and both Madrid games, Fulham at home doesn't get my juices flowing, perhaps we should get some of the forced dog shit from City square in the ground along with the electronic flags n other shit marketed ploys for our match day experience.

Drinking in the stands is allowed in both Germany n Spain, here it's not. People leave it to the last minute to take there seat n rush out 10 minutes early to get served leaving swathes of empty seats.

Going to a game now is sterile, sometimes boring,I know loads who don't bother anymore, the fun has gone, and to hear your own manager bad mouthing you doesn't sit well with me, this coming from a manager who refuses to commit his future to us.

 

[blueparrot]

Then use Newcastle as the example of how to do it
Bearing in mind the fans hate the board and team haven’t won a thing in my lifetime

Considering they never go past the 4th round they took the chance to watch a cup game while they could,plus they don't have semi finals , c/l, or finals to fork out for.

 

[BobbyBoy]

Even though that vast majority of City fans love Pep, and we chant his name at almost every match, Klopp seems to have bonded with Liverpool fans better, even though they don’t have a chant for him. Stand corrected on that chant point.

It must irk Pep, maybe not, to see Klopp, his closest managerial rival, walking on to the pitch at Anfield after the full-time whistle goes and seeng all 4 stands full of Liverpool fans staying and supporting the team to the end of the match. That’s highlighted on CL nights,

Unfortunately Pep wasn’t here when Roy Hodgson was Liverpool’s Manager and there were empty seats everywhere, people were leaving early, and you could hear a pin drop at every Liverpool home game.

PS.

1 thing is for sure. This thread will be compulsive reading at the Etihad this Morning and throughout the Week as we get closer to the derby.

Another point on Klopp which I think is relevant but will get lost in tribal nonsense is the volume of fixtures. I haven't been in the Liverpool thread and I won't bother but I can guess he's getting slaughtered for throwing the FA Cup again. As with the league cup he has taken a stand that there is too much football. When Pep says scrap the league cup he gets slaughtered, when Klopp says his players play too much he's slaughtered. Both managers are in agreement that there is too much football, while they may or may not have the fans in mind here (they most definitely don't) it comes down to the same thing. There is too much football and it's too bloody expensive.

 

[jrb]

Did anyone praise City for getting 54,000 against Port Vale in the 3rd round?

Where were all the United and Liverpool fans then who are now taking the piss out of City fans?

And for good measure, there were plenty of empty seats in the United away end at Tranmere Yesterday.

 

[Cobwebcat]

Yes Pep has got this badly wrong.

I suspect this is because he is simply asked the question a lot when in Spain he wasn’t.

The thing is it will be the PR Department’s job to inform Pep of the reasons so he can answer effectively. I don’t think they are. Perhaps they’re scared of Pep seeing it as a criticism.

I don’t blame fans for being upset with Peps comments but it’s not his fault.

City need to read this thread and understand.

@Prestwich_Blue one for City Matters?

 

[jrb]

Another point on Klopp which I think is relevant but will get lost in tribal nonsense is the volume of fixtures. I haven't been in the Liverpool thread and I won't bother but I can guess he's getting slaughtered for throwing the FA Cup again. As with the league cup he has taken a stand that there is too much football. When Pep says scrap the league cup he gets slaughtered, when Klopp says his players play too much he's slaughtered. Both managers are in agreement that there is too much football, while they may or may not have the fans in mind here (they most definitely don't) it comes down to the same thing. There is too much football and it's too bloody expensive.

Both of them are right, but both are different.

Pep wants to win the League Cup and the FA Cup. He wants to win every cup. Look at the teams he plays. Klopp (and no doubt FSG) aren’t interested in the League Cup and FA Cup. They just want to win the PL and the CL continually. That’s where the prestige and money is. Oh, and that shite FIFA 4 team World Club play off final.

 

[waspish]

Yes Pep has got this badly wrong.

I suspect this is because he is simply asked the question a lot when in Spain he wasn’t.

The thing is it will be the PR Department’s job to inform Pep of the reasons so he can answer effectively. I don’t think they are. Perhaps they’re scared of Pep seeing it as a criticism.

I don’t blame fans for being upset with Peps comments but it’s not his fault.

City need to read this thread and understand.

@Prestwich_Blue one for City Matters?

City have a PR department!?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Not having it and my guess is something has been said.

5 mins from the end of the game the BBC started on the empty seats and it carries on into the interviews.

Fuck em.

Yup I think some convo was had between cameramen and director to start showing the empty seats and chinese tourists. It's what neutrals want to see apparently

 

[edinburgh123]

Astonishes me we get 40000 for a game against Fulham where we were virtually certain to win (and I don't mean that in the old Utd arrogant way it sounds). 40000 means 40000 tickets sold... 54000 at a league game means the best part of 10000 sold after season tickets. Lets put it down to it not being his first language but he is a dick for even falling for things like that. The football is brilliant and the manager has done amazing things for us, for example I couldn't watch Liverpools 'Wimbledon on steroids' version of football i.e. twat it up front or cross it and head it, but as an individual I think Pep is up his own arse and whilst I may miss the football I won't miss him one bit when he leaves (although luckily for him he won't miss me or anybody else who goes to the games)

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The atmosphere has been poor at every Premier League ground I have attended in recent years with very few exceptions. This issue is not unique to City. I think it's a generational thing with too many fans looking at their phones etc etc. A lot of people seem to have low attention spans. The other big reason is kick-off times. The 12.30pm games are hopeless (as was yesterday's Sunday 1pm) I don't think we should beat ourselves up about this.

They are a few reasons but another is the style of football played by modern PL teams, particularly those who are flirting above the relegation zone and into mid table. PL status is everything, and so the games are defence based. This is definitely the case when they play each other, and it is almost like they know that whoever scores first will win. Defensive and conservative play until someone concedes and then have to come out a bit, and then risk conceding again on the counter attack. It doesn't make for a good fan spectacle. Never do you see a side come out and play having obviously been told 'right just get out there and batter them'.

 

[mayo31]

As the two matches (Fulham and United) are very different you cannot generalise much about them.

The Fulham match attendance, based on experience from the last five top ten years, looks quite good. This is especially the case given the stupid kickoff time, live coverage on the BBC and late January when many will not have been paid for six weeks. Recently home FA Cup attendances have improved with some near sell-outs in the early rounds. The failure to hit 40,000 was probably down to a perfect storm with the factors mentioned earlier to which can be added foul weather and weakened teams, Not to mention having a LC semifinal and a CL match against Real Madrid all on sale. Could the club have done more on the pricing structure to help the crowd? Probably not.

The Unoted match is probably more to do with the stupid two-legged format of the EFL Cup semifinals. You don't find it anywhere else apart from CL/EL knock-out rounds and promotion playoffs. The problem is with City winning 3-1 away (if should have been at least 6), this has the look of a dead rubber. In addition the clubs (and the police) made a grave error in reducing away ticket allocations. This led to restrictions on ticket sales. You can see why they were used to prevent United fans getting in the home areas. That would not have happened if United were given a bigger allocation. Had the Rags been given the same allocation as Port Vale we would probably be looking at a sell out.

This decision also took some of the excitement away. It is a much better atmosphere with rival fans there.

 

[tornandfrayed]

https://www.tifofootball.com/features/barcelona-camp-nou-problem/
"Why Can't Barcelona Fill the Camp Nou"

It seems we're not the only ones who have this problem!

 

[fallowfield]

We just haven't got the fanbase to cover a 55K stadium when there's 3 or 4 games on the trot at home like this.
Fair enough, I have no issue admitting this to fans of other clubs.
Dunno why Pep and City generally don't get it.
We won't ever be Utd or Liverpool in terms of fanbase, and I don't want to be either. Though City definitely do want to be on a par with those 2 clubs.

 

[DRINKLEVEDRY]

He shouldn't need a pr department to advise him,if that's what he thinks fuck it , my only gripe is, he's not so quick to attack the media in this way.