Discuss Pellegrini...(cont)

[cleavers]

Just think where we would be now if we had won at for example Cardiff, Sunderland, Villa etc.

Just think where we would be now if we'd won all 34 games so far !

Teams lose games, even the best teams.

Congratulations on the most insightful post of the day.

There's losing games and there's needlessly fucking things up. There is a difference.

I think you missed my point completely, yes it was sarcastically put, but as I listed below none of those games had "weakened" teams out, ie rotated teams.

They were all "weakened" by injuries (only slightly in 2 cases), and the reasons for the defeats were invariable bad defending/individual cock ups, as could have happened in any of the other 34 games we've played, and it happens to all teams at some point, its one of those if my granny had balls statements.

Have we had too many this season ? possibly, but 2 of those 3 games, were at a time when the whole team were adjusting to a new way of playing, a better way, as the run following the Sunderland game showed, and even despite injuries, the new way of playing generally worked.

Collectively over the season, we are likely to come up just short, but this is as much down to losing twice to Chelsea, and losing to Liverpool away, as it is Cardiff, Villa, and Sunderland defeats, and in all three of those games had we taken our chances up front, we'd have won.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Just think where we would be now if we'd won all 34 games so far !

Teams lose games, even the best teams.

Congratulations on the most insightful post of the day.

There's losing games and there's needlessly fucking things up. There is a difference.

I think you missed my point completely, yes it was sarcastically put, but as I listed below none of those games had "weakened" teams out, ie rotated teams.

Yes, I did miss it, since you didn't say it until a later post which I had not read.

They were all "weakened" by injuries (only slightly in 2 cases), and the reasons for the defeats were invariable bad defending/individual cock ups, as could have happened in any of the other 34 games we've played, and it happens to all teams at some point, its one of those if my granny had balls statements.

Have we had too many this season ? possibly, but 2 of those 3 games, were at a time when the whole team were adjusting to a new way of playing, a better way, as the run following the Sunderland game showed, and even despite injuries, the new way of playing generally worked.

Collectively over the season, we are likely to come up just short, but this is as much down to losing twice to Chelsea, and losing to Liverpool away, as it is Cardiff, Villa, and Sunderland defeats, and in all three of those games had we taken our chances up front, we'd have won.

I agree that the line ups were usually strong enough.

But it not just about the personnel (is it ever just about the personnel?) It's about how we set up, how we approach the game and the effort we put in.

I do think Pellegrini has been naive on occasion with regard to how much respect (or lack of respect) he's given to our opponents, playing a 2 man midfield of Yaya and Fern (or worse) against tough, battling opponents away from home.

And whereas you are right of course that 3 points dropped is the same 3 points whether you drop them at Sunderland or Chelsea, I don't mind the latter ones quite so much. Games against title challengers are always tough and you can't expect to win every time. But at least we are "up for it" in those games. Sometimes we win, sometimes not and sometimes we fuck it up like at Chelsea away. But at least we gave it our all. I can't say the same for some of dropped points performances against the lower teams.

 

[sir baconface]

We will play exactly the same next season as we have this. Pellegrini isn't going to change his philosophy. When we play at Sunderland, Villa and Cardiff (or whoever takes their place in the PL) the tactics will not change. Hopefully the execution will be better and we might have a couple of better defenders in the team. But the idea that this season is part of a learning experience for the manager is wide of the mark.

Some sweeping assumptions here.

I believe Pellegrini is on record as saying his philosophy won't change. However, the key thing here is the difference between philosophy and tactics. They aren't interchangeable terms. Philosophy represents an overall approach, in this case a desire to play open, attacking football built on clever passing movements. Tactics are much more micro-level and can change within a given philosophy.

There's no reason in my mind to doubt that he has learned plenty in his first PL season. I would expect him to fine-tune accordingly without throwing the baby out with the bath water.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

 

[flb]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

Fair few homegrown players there, who the fuck do we buy to replace them?

 

[Dipsis_LTU_MC]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

Yeah, sell the only English player in our starting 11. You are a genius.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

Fair few homegrown players there, who the fuck do we buy to replace them?

We're losing them anyway, Hart, aside, so the job must be in hand.

We've garnered a terrible reputation for not using home-based players.

The reality is, we simply have bought sub-standard ones, previously, token gestures.

Part of that is down to the overpricing in this country, but we've been burned on foreign imports too.

The real money needs to be thrown down for players such as Barkley, Coleman, Ramsay, Shaw, Sterling, Clyne, Pogba.

Players we can more or less say to them, 'Look, you are going to be in this team, most weeks.

 

[waspish]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

Can't see him being Ruthless(not his Character) unless he is told to get rid of those players...

 

[flb]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

Fair few homegrown players there, who the fuck do we buy to replace them?

We're losing them anyway, Hart, aside, so the job must be in hand.

We've garnered a terrible reputation for not using home-based players.

The reality is, we simply have bought sub-standard ones, previously, token gestures.

Part of that is down to the overpricing in this country, but we've been burned on foreign imports too.

The real money needs to be thrown down for players such as Barkley, Coleman, Ramsay, Shaw, Sterling, Clyne, Pogba.

Players we can more or less say to them, 'Look, you are going to be in this team, most weeks.

At fucking last, someone who agrees with me about homegrown and the importance of good young British players.

Disagree strongly about Hart though, mistake for mistake the whole back four have dropped him in the shit time and time again, he's a quality keeper who's had confidence issues, as the back four have settled into a different way of defending second half of the season he's noticeably got better.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

Yeah, sell the only English player in our starting 11. You are a genius.

I see you don't refer to the rest of our average homegrown quota!

I listed players who I don't believe are good enough, not their passports, although there can be no coincidence, with the majority on the list.

There's no way you should hold on to average players just because they adhere to the rules.

It's the club's job to adhere to the rules with better homegrown players.

The majority on here have a British passport if that's the case, we'd come a lot cheaper, too.