Discuss Pellegrini...(cont)

[meldrew]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

Fair few homegrown players there, who the fuck do we buy to replace them?

We're losing them anyway, Hart, aside, so the job must be in hand.

We've garnered a terrible reputation for not using home-based players.

The reality is, we simply have bought sub-standard ones, previously, token gestures.

Part of that is down to the overpricing in this country, but we've been burned on foreign imports too.

The real money needs to be thrown down for players such as Barkley, Coleman, Ramsay, Shaw, Sterling, Clyne, Pogba.

Players we can more or less say to them, 'Look, you are going to be in this team, most weeks.

Surely by doing this though, we're only opening up another can of worms with regards to FFP and with the player's in question, for there talents we're talking £250m minimum

 

[i8rags]

We will play exactly the same next season as we have this. Pellegrini isn't going to change his philosophy. When we play at Sunderland, Villa and Cardiff (or whoever takes their place in the PL) the tactics will not change. Hopefully the execution will be better and we might have a couple of better defenders in the team. But the idea that this season is part of a learning experience for the manager is wide of the mark.

How can we play the same with a different line up, improve the line up improve the performance.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

They were just examples that there are players out there, if the club finally wants to be decisive about the homegrown quota.

Most of those names are considered not available, but United look poised to splash thick end of £60m on Shaw and Lallana. They will fill holes for the next decade, so the huge original outlay comes back with minimal spend in the preceding windows.

If we sold Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Hart, Rodwell, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata - we would recoup best part of £80m-£90m.

We already have £70m burning a hole in our pockets this summer, so with the wages we would also save, Pellegrini has every chance to make a statement this summer.

I'm still pissed we passed on buying Sturridge back at £12m.

Ramsay - £35m?
Barkley - £40m?
Sterling - £35m?
Ward-Prowse - £15m?
Lallana - £25m?
Coleman £30m?
Clyne £10m?

These guys would all arrive for wages much lower than a majority of the departing ones.

All I am trying to say, (perhaps a little Football Manager) THERE ARE PLAYERS OUT THERE IN THIS COUNTRY

There will come a day in the next couple of years when Kompany will hit 30, Yaya and Fernandinho will be a little slower, Zabba will not be able to walk through every brick wall.

The fantastic academy we are building will still be a few years in reaping the dividends we hope, although I think both Cole and Fofana look the real deal.

 

[jollylescott]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

That would take some cojones to go that far, but I can see the fundamental principle that Pellegrini and Txiki will have to be ruthless in their approach to the squad.

Of course a clean out requires players that are an improvement on those currently in the squad, and the English talent certainly won't come cheap if we are looking at the Barkleys etc.

It's hard to disagree with most that you have listed, but I still have faith in Nasri. Having said that we certainly need an additional playmaker to support Merlin. In regard to Hart, there are better keepers out there, but the English quota has to be a concern.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

Agreed on the whole.

I would keep Garcia, Nastasic, and possibly Clichy at the expense of Kolorov. I would only keep Clichy as a back up though.

I have concerns about Negredo and would possibly let him go instead of Dzeko if the right offer came in.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's hard to disagree with most that you have listed, but I still have faith in Nasri. Having said that we certainly need an additional playmaker to support Merlin. In regard to Hart, there are better keepers out there, but the English quota has to be a concern.

Slightly OT I know, but regards Nasri, genuinely I think he needs coaching. He obviously has the skill but the way he will dance forward a bit and then stop and pass it backwards endlessly, really does my head in. A decent coach should be able to help him to improve and be much more direct and successful. (Nasri also soft, and needs a kick up the arse, but it's not only that.) Look at the difference between the young Ronaldo who arrived at the swamp doing 400 step overs and not much else, and 2 seasons later he's one of the best footballers in the world.

 

[Danamy]

They were just examples that there are players out there, if the club finally wants to be decisive about the homegrown quota.

Most of those names are considered not available, but United look poised to splash thick end of £60m on Shaw and Lallana. They will fill holes for the next decade, so the huge original outlay comes back with minimal spend in the preceding windows.

If we sold Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Hart, Rodwell, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata - we would recoup best part of £80m-£90m.

We already have £70m burning a hole in our pockets this summer, so with the wages we would also save, Pellegrini has every chance to make a statement this summer.

I'm still pissed we passed on buying Sturridge back at £12m.

Ramsay - £35m?
Barkley - £40m?
Sterling - £35m?
Ward-Prowse - £15m?
Lallana - £25m?
Coleman £30m?
Clyne £10m?

These guys would all arrive for wages much lower than a majority of the departing ones.

All I am trying to say, (perhaps a little Football Manager) THERE ARE PLAYERS OUT THERE IN THIS COUNTRY

There will come a day in the next couple of years when Kompany will hit 30, Yaya and Fernandinho will be a little slower, Zabba will not be able to walk through every brick wall.

The fantastic academy we are building will still be a few years in reaping the dividends we hope, although I think both Cole and Fofana look the real deal.

What about spending less money on experienced homegrown as cover/squad players?

I know we're looking at this in one position, it may be the only way to go in certain positions to create the big bucks for others?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It was right for Pellegrini to take stock and give everyone a chance, this season, injuries permitting.

But I do think the time will come for him to show a more ruthless streak, to protect his own position?

Rather than being all things, to all people, he must know who he can now carry forward, going into next season.

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

It's time to scrub the decks, raise some serious additional funds, keep the squad nice and tight, no more than 22 (we'll probably get a 20-man restriction anyhow for Champs League).

Regardless of whether we win the league or not. We're still a couple of steps away from discarding revolution for evolution.

I trust Pellegrini and Txiki to identify the required level.

That would take some cojones to go that far, but I can see the fundamental principle that Pellegrini and Txiki will have to be ruthless in their approach to the squad.

Of course a clean out requires players that are an improvement on those currently in the squad, and the English talent certainly won't come cheap if we are looking at the Barkleys etc.

It's hard to disagree with most that you have listed, but I still have faith in Nasri. Having said that we certainly need an additional playmaker to support Merlin. In regard to Hart, there are better keepers out there, but the English quota has to be a concern.

As I say, I'm a ruthless bastard and I think we need to learn from United in some respects, they stayed with a winning team for far too long and this season Moyes was allowed to carry the can for players who are over the hill.

They also bought sub-standard British in Young, Smalling and Jones.

They proved by dropping £60m on Ferdinand and Rooney a decade ago what it really takes to reap proper dividends.

Nasri, we can still recoup the majority of his fee, I would argue. He is a passenger when it really matters, regardless of talent, and earns massive wages.

Same with Hart, we could get £20m plus from a Barca or Madrid. I'm not sure we couldn't go out there and get someone of equal talent for less money?

Try for Wilshere and Ramsay, try for Barkley and Coleman, try for Sterling and Sturridge, try for Shaw and Ward-Prowse.

Pellegrini must take us there.

 

[jollylescott]

I'm a ruthless bastard so Nasri, Dzeko, Richards, Lescott, Hart, Rodwell, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Guidetti, Boyata, they can all leave.

The time for passengers or technically limited players must come to an end.

Agreed on the whole.

I would keep Garcia, Nastasic, and possibly Clichy at the expense of Kolorov. I would only keep Clichy as a back up though.

I have concerns about Negredo and would possibly let him go instead of Dzeko if the right offer came in.

I wasn't aware that Clichy is listed as homegrown. That could be relevant to whether we keep Kolarov or Clichy. Having said that Clichy needs to stay back after training and practise crossing the ball!

 

[coleridge]

I'm all for a radical clear-out, even when it involves players that I think have made a significant contribution, such as Dzeko.

As I said recently, it's time to freshen up the squad. More youth, pace and desire required.

My serial question mark remains with Aguero. Is half a season every year really good enough, despite his obvious quality? I hope he proves me wrong and plays for 40 games next season, but I somehow doubt it. Games to goal ratios can sometimes mask a more fundamental problem.

I am loathed to speak of the devil, but Fergie regularly upgraded his teams in a 3-5 year cycle.

For me, it's time for bravery from Pellers and the Barca boys.

Ramsay and Sterling? If only...