Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 4)

[MCC]

Bullshit.

So if we had not signed rvp, which bobby wanted, we would not have won the league?

No. Not with over £100m of striking talent on our books already.

Take away the goals he scored for them and add them to our goals scored. Basic maths, Ray.

 

[ballinio]

Bullshit.

So if we had not signed rvp, which bobby wanted, we would not have won the league?

But he was given the funds to sign Dzeko, Balotelli and Aguero

You cant buy everyone

He won us the league & wanted RVP & De Rossi , with those 2 we would have won the league , no doubt about it . We gave him ,Sinclair, maicon & fucking Garcia, shocking signings . We could have dominated for years but blew it , reigning the spending in just at the crucial point.

 

[mancity1]

So if we had not signed rvp, which bobby wanted, we would not have won the league?

But he was given the funds to sign Dzeko, Balotelli and Aguero

You cant buy everyone

Yeah and he won the league and wanted to improve the team.
That transfer window was crucial and we ended up signing sinclair, garcia and rodwell. Were they bobbys first choice? Were they fuck.

Who knows and who cares.

RVP is history that never was for City , we will miss out on several other targets as the windows roll on some of which have been value added to our squad some which would flop not matter their past that's how it always goes.

I am sure the Mancini outers or whatever you want to call them would have argued a TEVEZ like or Balotellu like bust up with RVP was on the cards under RM and he would have sulked enough to ensure a Manure title last year anyway spearheaded by Ronney and Peewee.

What we need to know is whether MP has the mettle to get the best out of this squad this season.

If he does where in business , if he doesn't he may be on his way come seasons end and we bitch about the next bloke not being as good as MP if you like.

 

[blueparrot]

So if we had not signed rvp, which bobby wanted, we would not have won the league?

But he was given the funds to sign Dzeko, Balotelli and Aguero

You cant buy everyone

Yeah and he won the league and wanted to improve the team.
That transfer window was crucial and we ended up signing sinclair, garcia and rodwell. Were they bobbys first choice? Were they fuck.

No they weren't his first choice, point is they shouldn't have been his second or third choice either.

 

[Ray78]

So if we had not signed rvp, which bobby wanted, we would not have won the league?

No. Not with over £100m of striking talent on our books already.

Take away the goals he scored for them and add them to our goals scored. Basic maths, Ray.

Down to the manager to get the best out of his current crop. Basic man management.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Mancini was never going to be supported after he brought success to the club . He was brought in to do , on the pitch , what the Sheikh was doing with the finances and structure of the club ie raise the level from mediocre underachievers to recognised major force in the PL and in Europe . Khaldoon knew that Mancini was the perfect man to achieve this within a short time frame supported by major player signings, and as we all know ,he was right .
The " holistic " scheme was always the aim of the owners , Mancini was not the kind of manager to be conducive to this aim, and when the two hombres from Barca pitched up , Mancini's days were numbered , as their brief was to shape the club in the mould of the Spanish giants appointing the sort of manager that they saw as the next step along that road.
Hopefully this means that in 3/4 years we may see Pep standing in our technical area , after he's proved himself at Munich and we have proved ourselves in the champions' league

 

[MCC]

No. Not with over £100m of striking talent on our books already.

Take away the goals he scored for them and add them to our goals scored. Basic maths, Ray.

Down to the manager to get the best out of his current crop. Basic man management.

Agree mate, but if we had had rvp last year instead of mario and dzeko, we would have pissed it.

 

[blueparrot]

So if we had not signed rvp, which bobby wanted, we would not have won the league?

No. Not with over £100m of striking talent on our books already.

Take away the goals he scored for them and add them to our goals scored. Basic maths, Ray.

It dosn't work like that as they scored more the season before without him. They don't play with 10 men if they don't sign him.
The season we won it we scored more with the same strikers as last season.

 

[Bpughh]

I hope it works Billy I really do, I'm just amused at the blind faith in a man who's won no cups or titles at his three previous clubs.

I don't with to be condescending, but really, "blind" are those who know nothing about Pellegrini other than what they've read on Bluemoon and seen in the last few months. "Blind" are those who try and shit on his achievements at Villareal without ever having watched his Villareal team. "Blind" are those who believe making irrational sweeping judgements about any manager after 11 games should be respected.

None of this precludes you from being fucked off at our away form btw. I am too. You should complain about it because it isn't good enough. But if you take your blindfold off, you'll see we're the best team in the league, playing the best football in the league, and are best equipped to win the league.

spot on

 

[Lavinda Past]

Mancini was never going to be supported after he brought success to the club . He was brought in to do , on the pitch , what the Sheikh was doing with the finances and structure of the club ie raise the level from mediocre underachievers to recognised major force in the PL and in Europe . Khaldoon knew that Mancini was the perfect man to achieve this within a short time frame supported by major player signings, and as we all know ,he was right .
The " holistic " scheme was always the aim of the owners , Mancini was not the kind of manager to be conducive to this aim, and when the two hombres from Barca pitched up , Mancini's days were numbered , as their brief was to shape the club in the mould of the Spanish giants appointing the sort of manager that they saw as the next step along that road.
Hopefully this means that in 3/4 years we may see Pep standing in our technical area , after he's proved himself at Munich and we have proved ourselves in the champions' league

The 'holistic' scheme means that we will always look to promote from within (like recent years Barca and 1970's Liverpool).

Pellegrini will do his two years and then hand over to Patrick Viera

It is written.

 

[Anonymous]

I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.

The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

So if we had not signed rvp, which bobby wanted, we would not have won the league?

But he was given the funds to sign Dzeko, Balotelli and Aguero

You cant buy everyone

He won us the league & wanted RVP & De Rossi , with those 2 we would have won the league , no doubt about it . We gave him ,Sinclair, maicon & fucking Garcia, shocking signings . We could have dominated for years but blew it , reigning the spending in just at the crucial point.

Maicon was definitely his signing and I'm sure he would have been involved in the other signings. I highly doubt they were just thrown at him.

Point is I don't understand why people keep bringing up RVP, Mancini had spent in excess of 100 million on strikers as well as having Tevez surely that would be enough for any top manager to work with?

 

[Lavinda Past]

Take away the goals he scored for them and add them to our goals scored. Basic maths, Ray.

Down to the manager to get the best out of his current crop. Basic man management.

Agree mate, but if we had had rvp last year instead of mario and dzeko, we would have pissed it.

We're talking City here MCC... If we'd signed v Persie, he'd have either;

(a) broken down in the first training session and been out the whole season, or

(b) been a load of shite.

It's in the past... let it go.

 

[NQCitizen]

Mancini was never going to be supported after he brought success to the club . He was brought in to do , on the pitch , what the Sheikh was doing with the finances and structure of the club ie raise the level from mediocre underachievers to recognised major force in the PL and in Europe . Khaldoon knew that Mancini was the perfect man to achieve this within a short time frame supported by major player signings, and as we all know ,he was right .
The " holistic " scheme was always the aim of the owners , Mancini was not the kind of manager to be conducive to this aim, and when the two hombres from Barca pitched up , Mancini's days were numbered , as their brief was to shape the club in the mould of the Spanish giants appointing the sort of manager that they saw as the next step along that road.
Hopefully this means that in 3/4 years we may see Pep standing in our technical area , after he's proved himself at Munich and we have proved ourselves in the champions' league

The 'holistic' scheme means that we will always look to promote from within (like recent years Barca and 1970's Liverpool).

Pellegrini will do his two years and then hand over to Patrick Viera

It is written.

It's nice to see a post that doesn't claim Pep will be our manager within 3 years.

 

[Ray78]

Take away the goals he scored for them and add them to our goals scored. Basic maths, Ray.

Down to the manager to get the best out of his current crop. Basic man management.

Agree mate, but if we had had rvp last year instead of mario and dzeko, we would have pissed it.

Nope we were still having defensive problems last season as well.

 

[Anonymous]

It's nice to see a post that doesn't claim Pep will be our manager within 3 years.

It's difficult to envision Pep managing anyone other than City in England whilst Txiki and Ferran are at the club. Txiki and Pep are practically family. Ferran said just recently that Txiki speaks to Pep at least once a week.

I do think there's some mileage in the idea that Viera is being groomed to be our manager, however first he'll have to show that he's got what it takes with our reserve/EDS team. Pep's a no brainer.

 

[mancity1]

I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.

The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.

I wasn't there but I watched it with my dear departed Eddie the british bulldog because my partner and strife dispises all things to do with the round code ( yep 28 years and they said it wouldn't last ) the kids have long left home.

I still think we will struggle to finish in the top four BS but that doesn't mean we won't it just means I cannot see it at this juncture.

On the other hand you should be trumpeting why we will walk in with the title this year and you have gone a bit quiet on that front.

Do you reckon we will beat Southampton , Everton and Swansea away this year?

How about Spurs , Arsenal , Liverpool , ManUtd and West Brom?

How about Newcastle for that matter?

 

[flb]

I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.

The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.

Not me mate, i have scarred shins to prove it!<br /><br />-- Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:58 pm --<br /><br />

Personally I think his ability to turn Mancini into dust at City was far more impressive than anything he did at Villareal ... ;)

Seriously though ... you should have a little more faith. Pellegrini's a top manager who is going to be very successful with City. His achievements at Villareal and Malaga are spectacular. It's why he's such a widely respected coach by not just pundits, but players and other managers within football.

Billy, I wouldn't go as far as spectacular, it would have been if he got some silverware- as has been pointed out Villareal were already a very good side before he pitched his tent.

There are plenty of nice guys who are popular with players and pundits- ask Harry Redknapp

It's all a bit underwhelming , we still struggle against teams that park the bus so in that respect it's déjà vue.Defensively with or without Vinny we are a shambles, Hart on the bench which for me is poor man management.Outside the top four beckons- we lost 4 away from home in the PL last season- we have already matched that after eleven games.

I hope it works Billy I really do, I'm just amused at the blind faith in a man who's won no cups or titles at his three previous clubs.

-- Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:08 pm --

Oh come on ,he's had his 11 games now let's move on .We are disgustingly rich now ,we don't need a manager who's not won us everything by November anymore .Whats up with you !

He's had 17 games fella, virtually half a premier league season

Yeh but it's the 11 league games your complaining about fella,well 4 of them anyway.I find it embarrassing ,whether you like him,rate him, or not .When you think about the philosophy of calling for a new managers head after a handfull of games,it really is cringeworthy !

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11 into 38

Who's called for his head? I certainly haven't

He's had 17 competitive games to get his act together.

 

[flb]

I've just had a thought. I bet all those posters who currently think we'll struggle to get into the top 4 are the same Blues who left Wembley with 10 minutes to go ... who walked away from the QPR game in disgust 10 minutes from the end.

The two most defining moments in our modern history weren't witnessed by Blues who had given up the ghost. You'd think some of you would've learned from those experiences.

Not me mate, i have scarred shins to prove it!

-- Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:58 pm --

Billy, I wouldn't go as far as spectacular, it would have been if he got some silverware- as has been pointed out Villareal were already a very good side before he pitched his tent.

There are plenty of nice guys who are popular with players and pundits- ask Harry Redknapp

It's all a bit underwhelming , we still struggle against teams that park the bus so in that respect it's déjà vue.Defensively with or without Vinny we are a shambles, Hart on the bench which for me is poor man management.Outside the top four beckons- we lost 4 away from home in the PL last season- we have already matched that after eleven games.

I hope it works Billy I really do, I'm just amused at the blind faith in a man who's won no cups or titles at his three previous clubs.

-- Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:08 pm --




He's had 17 games fella, virtually half a premier league season

Yeh but it's the 11 league games your complaining about fella,well 4 of them anyway.I find it embarrassing ,whether you like him,rate him, or not .When you think about the philosophy of calling for a new managers head after a handfull of games,it really is cringeworthy !

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11 into 38

Who's called for his head? I certainly haven't

He's had 17 competitive games to get his act together.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

I think you're spot on about Pep , Billy , and also the theory that Vieira can learn at the feet of the man who managed the most holistic club in Europe makes perfect sense.