Discuss Pellegrini

St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
I think you will find that if we don't get it right this season then it will not just be me who will be feeling a little uncomfortable about the way things went last year and not just me asking for answers.
For the last time Billy and your loverboy Fantasy...I am totally behind Pellers but trying to erase what Mancini did for the club because you simply don't like him or his manner is just pathetic.

One direction. No problem with them from me,my little girl loves them...

How is Paris Billy...

I think you'll find posting "I wish he was still here" followed by "the players like Hart got him sacked with they'd been fucked off" is embarrassing cringeworthy bollocks which is so far removed from the truth, only a frustrated teenage girl who was in love with Mancini could post it.

You keep saying you're totally behind Pellers. In fact you say it in nearly every one of your posts. Yet still nobody believes you. Wonder why that could be ... :)
 
BobKowalski said:
hgblue said:
Lancet Fluke said:
The same happened all last season. Seems to me that some people must see dominating possession as playing well.

They certainly do. They need to watch our game at Cardiff and United's game at Swansea for a demonstration of possession meaning absolutely fuck all.

Not entirely. Possession is a desirable goal because possession is control. If we have 70% possession then for 70% of the game we are able to effect the game both offensively and defensively. Mancini wanted us to control and dictate the game every time we played and Pellegrini will want the same.

Possession for possession sake is pointless if you do nothing effective with it and whilst we were laboured against Cardiff we did make the crucial breakthrough and its at this point where we totally veered off the Mancini script and lost control of the game. The problem previously and especially last season was not making the breakthrough and either drawing the game (our real downfall) or losing1-0 to a late goal. Going 1-0 up in the second half was invariably meat & drink to us because the opposing team had spent so much energy in keeping it at 0-0 there was sod all left and now they have to have a go at us and that really played into our hands. Even if they had the energy we were damn good at holding on to what we had. Much is made of our travails on the road but in reality we lost 9 out of 38 on the road over two seasons. It could have been better but only by a factor of a handful of games. Last season drawing games was the issue rather than losing even if everyone jumps up and down with excitement over the Southampton where we had a collective stinker.

Cardiff was different in that we had the possession and made the breakthrough just at the point they were starting to tire. At this point I am celebrating 3 points and hoping Negrado will come on and get his first goal. What happened next still has me stunned and yes even more than bloody Southampton. As an team we do not lose like that. It just doesn't happen. The botched attempt to remove 3 years of zonal drills from what was a makeshift defence was a mistake of epic proportions. Quite why Pellers has gone this route is a fucking mystery. If we had employed Big Sam I'd understand it but as far as I am aware Pellers is not known for man marking at corners. I dimly remember a quote saying he detests man marking (if anyone knows differently then feel free to jump in) so I'm fucking baffled unless its not Pellers making this call.

It is also fairly evident that if you put sod all pressure on the team ie Newcastle then we look good. But then every team looks good if the opposition allows you to do what you want. Come at us and we leak goals. It was obvious in pre season and its obvious after two games. Our defensive setup is now a glaring weakness where previously it was a strength. And its a collective thing. Slagging off Zabs or Garcia is pointless. We defend as a team and attack as a team.

Given Vincent keeps tweeting at the superior nature of Pellegrini's training sessions I look forward to his tweet on Friday that the lads have the new system sorted in time for Hull although even if we haven't I still expect us to twat the Thundercats into the middle of next week.

Top post Bob!
You make some excellent points. I agree we should beat Hull comfortably (I did say should!) and Stoke away will be the acid test.
To try and totally reconstruct what was the best defence in the Prem by far is very strange indeed.
 
BillyShears said:
samharris said:
BillyShears said:
Absolutely cringeworthy bollocks. You're pining for a woman who spent a good year fucking around behind your back because you still love her so. Reexamine that shite you've posted and then tell me how you could possibly be "behind" our new manager as you keep saying.

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I'm sorry - you've obviously mistaken me for someone who actually gives a shit. If anything I privately hope St Helen continues with her cringeworthy bollocks about missing Mancini. It's testament to just how close she is to a One Direction fan ... ;)

Considering that you don't give a shit.......................

I know your views on Mancini Billy - but you've got to let those who actually aprrecieated his anger at lacklutre displays, his naming and shaming of those who were poor, his clearly no settling for anything but 100% effort, commitment and skill; and ultimately his trophies disagree with you.
I personally thought it was refreshing that he took on the players instead of mollycoddling them.
He was a tortured and awkward character but that was because he was intolerent of not winning.

Pelegriini appears to approach things in a more measured, diplomatic, and professional way - but that's no guarantee of success either.
 
Skashion said:
BillyShears said:
You're pining for a woman who spent a good year fucking around behind your back because you still love her so. Reexamine that shite you've posted and then tell me how you could possibly be "behind" our new manager as you keep saying.
Why would we care? The club were looking around almost from the day he got here. According to Gary James, we looked at Mourinho in the summer of 2010. According to multiple sources, we were looking at Guardiola in the summer of 2012 but Guardiola said he was taking a year out. Why should we expect faithfulness from Mancini that he didn't get from the club? He'd have been a blind idiot not to look elsewhere and consider his options. Or do we just expect him to get shit on over blind loyalty, like an abused wife?


Why do you bother replying to him, it gives him a sense of self-importance? The irony of him telling us to get behind the manager and that most of us are wanting Manuel to fail, you couldn't make it up. Everytime we got beat in the last 2 years we've had to put with his hatred of "The Italian" and even now it's Mancini's fault. I've also noticed only 2 of the 3 Amigos in here, where's Dismal hiding?
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
FantasyIreland said:
BlueAnorak said:
No. Folks just aren't optimistic given Sunday after the Arse friendly. He will still be given the full season by most - including me - unless he proves to be useless. Though if we fail to beat Hull or Stoke the noise of disquiet will get louder. It will also get very loud if we lose to the rags as well.

If he doesn't win two trophies in the next two seasons he will be toast. Also if we fail to qualify for Europe in any season he will be toast AND most importantly if we don't out of the Champions league group or win a trophy this season he will also probably be fired.

This is what you can deduce from what the chairman said in his end-of-season report: One trophy a year. We are now following the Chelsea root to success - any talk of organic growth is really just bollocks.

But of course,you wouldn't want any of the above scenarios to come true,would ya now.......??
Hang on everyone..fantasy has spoken so take not..do not ever mention Mancini or else..Tell you what mate..as a blue of 40yrs nearly what I find fucking annoying is people like you having a go because maybe not all of us agree with the decision still to get rid of Mancini....
Yes I wish he was still the manager..I wish the club would have fucked the players off such as hart etc who clearly got him sacked bit they didnt..they sacked Mancini using the holistic bollocks.As a previous poster stated it is clear that the club prefer the tea lady or the groundsman to be happy rather than have a manager i place who has won the premiership..won the cup ...won the shield..what have we got now?I for one am reserving judgement until ten games in at least because he deserves every chance to be here.Transitional season my arse...anything other than top two and knockout of europe and I expect the Spanish duo to be getting shot..not forgetting he has had 80mill so far...Is that ok for you fantasy?idiot..
This is a strange post for lots of reasons. Wanting 7 players to be sold, wishing someone was still a manager, claiming the shield as a trophy, reserving judgement while judging something?? Claiming that the club would rather make anyone happy other than the manager yet they were placating £100's of millions of investment over him not exactly the tea lady
 
Heres a thought. Why don't we discuss Pellegrini and the games played and the changes made and the positives or negatives of those changes or discuss why we have gone to man marking at corners or why as Toure concedes we 'lost concentration' - the Mancini mantra for his first 18 months here and the importance of the right mentality at a top club and how or what Pellegrini brings to the table in this regard and I say this if only because the OP is entitled 'Discuss Pellegrini' and you cunts are boring me to fucking tears with the girly bitching...

Aside from this I'm cool.

PS: Seriously? We are doing **** for naughty words now? Christ on a fucking bike we've gone holistic. Its the end of days.
 
BobKowalski said:
Heres a thought. Why don't we discuss Pellegrini and the games played and the changes made and the positives or negatives of those changes or discuss why we have gone to man marking at corners or why as Toure concedes we 'lost concentration' - the Mancini mantra for his first 18 months here and the importance of the right mentality at a top club and how or what Pellegrini brings to the table in this regard and I say this if only because the OP is entitled 'Discuss Pellegrini' and you ***** are boring me to fucking tears with the girly bitching...

Aside from this I'm cool.

PS: Seriously? We are doing **** for naughty words now? Christ on a fucking bike we've gone holistic. Its the end of days.
Hasn't **** always been ****ed?
 
Stood in The South Stand said:
Skashion said:
BillyShears said:
You're pining for a woman who spent a good year fucking around behind your back because you still love her so. Reexamine that shite you've posted and then tell me how you could possibly be "behind" our new manager as you keep saying.
Why would we care? The club were looking around almost from the day he got here. According to Gary James, we looked at Mourinho in the summer of 2010. According to multiple sources, we were looking at Guardiola in the summer of 2012 but Guardiola said he was taking a year out. Why should we expect faithfulness from Mancini that he didn't get from the club? He'd have been a blind idiot not to look elsewhere and consider his options. Or do we just expect him to get shit on over blind loyalty, like an abused wife?


Why do you bother replying to him, it gives him a sense of self-importance? The irony of him telling us to get behind the manager and that most of us are wanting Manuel to fail, you couldn't make it up. Everytime we got beat in the last 2 years we've had to put with his hatred of "The Italian" and even now it's Mancini's fault. I've also noticed only 2 of the 3 Amigos in here, where's Dismal hiding?

Just to add, I want Manuel to be the most successful manager in our history, I just can't help feeling we've got a downgrade.
 
BobKowalski said:
Our defensive setup is now a glaring weakness where previously it was a strength. And its a collective thing. Slagging off Zabs or Garcia is pointless. We defend as a team and attack as a team.

A gross overstatement based on one game, when the manager's only had two games in charge. Seems St Helen isn't the only one who's a little quick to rush to judgement. Then again you did call Pellegrini the Tesco's of football management ... :)
 
Stood in The South Stand said:
Why do you bother replying to him, it gives him a sense of self-importance? The irony of him telling us to get behind the manager and that most of us are wanting Manuel to fail, you couldn't make it up. Everytime we got beat in the last 2 years we've had to put with his hatred of "The Italian" and even now it's Mancini's fault. I've also noticed only 2 of the 3 Amigos in here, where's Dismal hiding?
I'm trying to reduce the amount of conflict I get into here. I see potential in uniting around a new manager. Billy has been more friendly to me as well so I'm going to continue being more friendly to him. However, I still find it illogical that the Outers want me to get mad at Mancini for looking out for himself when the club did exactly the same thing. Neither was loyal. You can get angry at both, or angry at neither (my preference), but you cannot be logically mad at one but not the other.
 

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