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Discuss Pellegrini
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mike channon´s windmill
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Have to agree - it all starts with hunger and desire - there were quite a few today seriously lacking in those deptsdctid said:Jim Tolmie's Underpants said:dctid said:Not impressed
Monday night flattered us today was shambolic
We will regret sacking Mancini but goota give MP time although personally i dont think he is the right man - tippy tappy footballing shit ala La Ligua wont cut it in this league
You're argument is confused. "Tippy tappy" football was exactly what Mancini played last season.
Yes i agree but i do feel that had if Mancini was backed like MP was last season may have been different
I feel that under MP we are likely to conceed more which will result in lower place finishes
I dont think we have the players with the correct mentality / hunger call it what you want to win fuck all - at least with Mancini there was a fear factor - i saw nothing utterely noithing different from Wigan a half arsed cant be arsed performance Wigan wanted it more and won - Cardiff wanted it more and won today
100% correct, if Pellegrini doesnt see this we are truely fucked.Ndj then Barry have done this job really well, teams should not be allowed to get to our back four so easily.thenabster said:teddykgb said:thenabster said:Boyata could have played and Garcia or Barry should have played in the midfield with Yaya and Fernandinho. Why don't we play with a holding midfielder away from home. We have two midifielders who don't like to defend and everytime we lose the ball the whole team is on the backheel because nobody in the midifeld wants to defend. Look at the slalom Kim had for the first goal, no one came to close him down.
That's how an adept manager reacts to a situation. Plus why are we ostracizing Barry? When things are going well nobody cares but if things get bad, that shit will come to hunt MP like Anelka did for AVB.
So we lose because of shambolic defending and an inability to penetrate the bus and your tactical suggestion is to deploy a holding midfielder ?
Yaya and Fernandinho both "like" to defend. We did not lose today because we were caught on the counter and didn't have a deep midfielder to break up play. Not one of our goals were due to this "tactical error". We had the majority of the ball and Fernandinho and Yaya both won the ball back at an acceptable rate.
Again, not one goal was scored because of anything a holding midfielder would have done. Yaya didn't track his runner for the first goal, a mistake Barry has made several times recently as well. Nonetheless, they were deep and setup, there's nothing a holding mid would ahve done there, excepting maybe a different person might have put in the effort to track his man, which is a player issue, not a tactical one. The team was in position to defend, they simply didn't defend. I'm not sure how a holding midfielder helps us not concede from corners, but if you can prove that one, i'm all ears. Again, the team didn't execute, they were not beaten tactically.
As far as Boyata, if that's the "answer" then the question is quite obviously the problem. Choosing between Boyata and Garcia is like choosing between cancer and AIDS (just a joke). Boyata would never have been inserted over Lescott, and although Garcia was incredibly shaky, he managed to not be at fault for any of their goals.
To summarize, if we had been tactically annhilated, we wouldn't have dominated possession, chances, etc. Or if we had, the other team would have broken well and scored on the counter. None of that happened today, although it did come close a few times. We lost because we played like boneheads in our own half. This should have been a 1-0 "lucky to get out of there" victory, the kind that class PL teams pull off all the time.
That's your opinion.
A holding midfielder wasn't only needed to prevent Cardiff from scoring the first goal (with a holding midfielder Kim would had have a much lesser chance to slalom though our defense like he did) . He was also needed because the whole game we never got into sync, got into our rhythm because Cardiff kept coming at us since our midfield was thin. if we had a more crowded midfield we would have easily beaten them in the midfield battle which we didn't. The whole of the first half we had no clear cut chances and Dzeko's goal was mostly because of Dzeko's talent then anything else.
thenabster said:teddykgb said:thenabster said:Boyata could have played and Garcia or Barry should have played in the midfield with Yaya and Fernandinho. Why don't we play with a holding midfielder away from home. We have two midifielders who don't like to defend and everytime we lose the ball the whole team is on the backheel because nobody in the midifeld wants to defend. Look at the slalom Kim had for the first goal, no one came to close him down.
That's how an adept manager reacts to a situation. Plus why are we ostracizing Barry? When things are going well nobody cares but if things get bad, that shit will come to hunt MP like Anelka did for AVB.
So we lose because of shambolic defending and an inability to penetrate the bus and your tactical suggestion is to deploy a holding midfielder ?
Yaya and Fernandinho both "like" to defend. We did not lose today because we were caught on the counter and didn't have a deep midfielder to break up play. Not one of our goals were due to this "tactical error". We had the majority of the ball and Fernandinho and Yaya both won the ball back at an acceptable rate.
Again, not one goal was scored because of anything a holding midfielder would have done. Yaya didn't track his runner for the first goal, a mistake Barry has made several times recently as well. Nonetheless, they were deep and setup, there's nothing a holding mid would ahve done there, excepting maybe a different person might have put in the effort to track his man, which is a player issue, not a tactical one. The team was in position to defend, they simply didn't defend. I'm not sure how a holding midfielder helps us not concede from corners, but if you can prove that one, i'm all ears. Again, the team didn't execute, they were not beaten tactically.
As far as Boyata, if that's the "answer" then the question is quite obviously the problem. Choosing between Boyata and Garcia is like choosing between cancer and AIDS (just a joke). Boyata would never have been inserted over Lescott, and although Garcia was incredibly shaky, he managed to not be at fault for any of their goals.
To summarize, if we had been tactically annhilated, we wouldn't have dominated possession, chances, etc. Or if we had, the other team would have broken well and scored on the counter. None of that happened today, although it did come close a few times. We lost because we played like boneheads in our own half. This should have been a 1-0 "lucky to get out of there" victory, the kind that class PL teams pull off all the time.
That's your opinion.
A holding midfielder wasn't only needed to prevent Cardiff from scoring the first goal (with a holding midfielder Kim would had have a much lesser chance to slalom though our defense like he did) . He was also needed because the whole game we never got into sync, got into our rhythm because Cardiff kept coming at us since our midfield was thin. if we had a more crowded midfield we would have easily beaten them in the midfield battle which we didn't. The whole of the first half we had no clear cut chances and Dzeko's goal was mostly because of Dzeko's talent then anything else.
We had 56% possession and Cardiff was hardly getting forward with any ease. The facts just don't fit your narrative. If you really think we needed to do more in midfield, then you're arguing for removing Aguero or Dzeko for an extra midfielder, but that likely would have just resulted in even more sideways passing. We had too much time and space all too often, and our CBs and FBs were lending nothing to the attack for large portions of the match There's no reason why a holding midfielder would have been in any better position to prevent Kim's run than where our team was when it actually happened. The lapse was not tactical, we just didn't cover th erun.
argyle said:One loss was all it took for a thread like this to appear. One loss.
Its not the loss fella its the manner of the loss
B\connellblue
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If we sack the manager after every defeat We'll still only go through 4 or 5 a season.
mike channon´s windmill
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argyle said:One loss was all it took for a thread like this to appear. One loss.
I think you need to look at the "just one loss" more contextually
nellyonthewing
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Correct Sir..avoidconfusion said:I am sorry but he made the same mistakes Mancini made when it comes to subs. Takes our only goalscorer off but leaves that lazy sack of shit Toure on for the whole game. What does Yaya have to do to get subbed??
I think there is a real danger YaYa thinks he is the business & the other players look to him to perform. When he doesn't turn up (as he didn't most of last season) we don't function.
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Cardiff City's two-goal hero Fraizer Campbell on his side's shock win over Manchester City: "They had a centre midfielder playing centre-back, so you knew there'd be a bit of an opportunity there. There was some great deliveries into the penalty box, and it was a great team performance."
Enough Said.
Enough Said.