Edin Dzeko (contract update page 370)

[oakiecokie]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Ah yes I remember it well.Dzeko and lampposts.
Has anything changed ?? ;)

 

[PSD2012]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Top man, top footballer. So glad we have him

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

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As far as I know it's only when we talk about Dzeko that the old, "any other player could have done it" deriding takes place.

Because no one else is stupid enough to post "Without Sergio we wouldn't of won the league".

That's a bold statement.

Sorry you're right, I should rephrase. Nobody on here is insecure enough to shove Sergio's achievements down each others throat, everyone already knows how good he is.

 

[aguero93:20]

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As far as I know it's only when we talk about Dzeko that the old, "any other player could have done it" deriding takes place.

Because no one else is stupid enough to post "Without Sergio we wouldn't of won the league".

I agree that no single player is responsible for winning a football match (or the league), and therefore I certainly don't think "Dzeko won us the league" last season. However, it's not true to suggest that only Dzeko fans are stupid and biased enough to say such a thing. I think you'll find a large number of people (including many on here) who said the same thing about Tevez in 2012-13.

That large number of people need to remember that Tevez didn't win us the league in 2012/13. The rats won the league that year.

 

[NorCalBlue]

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Because no one else is stupid enough to post "Without Sergio we wouldn't of won the league".

I agree that no single player is responsible for winning a football match (or the league), and therefore I certainly don't think "Dzeko won us the league" last season. However, it's not true to suggest that only Dzeko fans are stupid and biased enough to say such a thing. I think you'll find a large number of people (including many on here) who said the same thing about Tevez in 2012-13.

That large number of people need to remember that Tevez didn't win us the league in 2012/13. The rats won the league that year.

Ha ha! How time flies! 2011-12 of course.

 

[BoundedCascade]

Re: Edin Dzeko

I really hope we sign him to a new contract soon. He is a superb player. I have been critical of him but he has really proven me wrong on every point. I am now a believer. I want him to be here for years to come.

 

[EaglesFan]

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Soo happy to see Edin finally win majority of City fans over.

I never doubted him, because I followed him with Bosnia NT and Wolfsburg before...

Has his flaws (but doesnt everyone??) but is a team player, great goalscorer, and most importantly - a WINNER. And you always want those.



Like in Wolfsburg (two years ago, remember?), one day near the end of his career he might step on the Etihad to hear his name chanted and receive rounds of applause...even if for another team (that moment during Wolfsburg vs. City when he was introduced really speaks a lot about Edin).

 

[Phil1]

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Made up for him. One of the biggest criticisms thrown at him has been his poor touch and lack of strength, both of which were his biggest positives against Newcastle. He spoke well afterwards and looks like he's enjoying himself being part of our great club. It's going to be a big season for him this year, I expect him to hit 25/30 in all competitions.

 

[Matty]

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It's pretty obvious that he was instrumental in the 2nd part of the season. Just his snide time wasting against Everton may have made the difference.

I think the issue here is we're talking in hypotheticals as if they are facts. It's clear that Edin Dzeko's goals helped us a long way towards winning the title last season, however so did the actions of many different players throughout the season. Negredo's goals, Yaya's goals, Kompany's defending, Kolarov's crossing, in short everyone who played made a contribution so you could, arguably, pick anyone who wore a City shirt last season and claim, "we wouldn't have won the title last season" if it wasn't for them, as who knows what would have happened if they hadn't been on the pitch and someone else had been. The probable here is that, were Dzeko to have been unavailable for the last 6 months of the season then someone would have played in his place, we'd have still had 11 men on the pitch. How on earth are we supposed to know, A - Who that "someone" would have been and B - What contribution they would have made to our title push? It's impossible to assess as it's a purely hypothetical situation with no way of categorically proving anything. The only thing we can be sure of, the only thing that is a fact, is that the contribution Dzeko put in helped us win the league. Would we have won the league without him, but with someone else? Absolutely impossible to know.

As far as I know it's only when we talk about Dzeko that the old, "any other player could have done it" deriding takes place.

Sigh.

Yet again, you've read what I've written and then decided to summarise it by claiming I've said something totally different.

At NO POINT have I stated that "any other player could have done it". In fact what I've said is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to know what any other player could or couldn't have done, as it's a hypothetical situation! I can't prove that, had we played Jovetic instead of Dzeko, he'd have scored loads of goals and we'd have still won the league, just as you can't prove, had we played Jovetic instead of Dzeko, he'd have scored hardly any and we'd have lost the league.

My point is clear but, as you're willfully choosing to ignore it and claim I'm saying something else entirely, I'll make it again.

Dzeko contributed hugely to City winning the league.

He wasn't the only one who made a contribution, and there were several other players who made huge contributions

It is impossible to claim, however, that without him we'd have lost the league.

It is impossible to assess the impact on our results of someone else playing instead of Dzeko.

I'd have thought the above was crystal clear.

 

[Blue Is the Opposite of Blue]

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He'll always be hopeless but he'll always score goals.

For that reason I want him in.

 

[Matty]

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He'll always be hopeless but he'll always score goals.

For that reason I want him in.

The thing is, he isn't always hopeless, he's sometimes fantastic! I think that's the most frustrating thing. With Shaun Goater you knew he just wasn't a very good footballer. He was a cracking goalscorer, but the rest of his game was pretty limited. With Dzeko he has the ability within him to be fantastic, but it just doesn't always happen. In a strange way it would actually be better for him if he was a worse footballer, but just as good a goalscorer! We'd probably just accept his limitations, realise he was playing to his best and take the goals! As it is, because we know what he's capable of, we want that from him more often than he gives it to us.

 

[jollylescott]

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Pellegrini made an interesting comment that he believes that Edin has matured as a player. I think this is definitely the case.

In many respects I now see him as part of a leadership group within the squad. His performances on the pitch are demonstrating maturity and the ability to continually improve. One aspect of this is his work rate. Much of the criticism that he has received on this forum was because of a perceived laziness on the pitch. Yet the Edin that I now see tracks back and forth, gets back and defends, roams around the pitch helping where he can, in addition to his his outstanding goal scoring record.

I also give him credit for his deeds off the pitch. I know that he returned home during the offseason and works very hard to be a role model for the young lads in his country. This to me also demonstrates a maturity as a person.

He has always been a polarising figure in his years at City. Yet now I believe that even his harshest critics are changing their views. This is all down to Edin and his improved performances.

So all credit to Edin. He thoroughly deserves the new contract. He is a vital member of the team and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

 

[west didsblue]

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I agree that no single player is responsible for winning a football match (or the league), and therefore I certainly don't think "Dzeko won us the league" last season. However, it's not true to suggest that only Dzeko fans are stupid and biased enough to say such a thing. I think you'll find a large number of people (including many on here) who said the same thing about Tevez in 2012-13.

That large number of people need to remember that Tevez didn't win us the league in 2012/13. The rats won the league that year.

Ha ha! How time flies! 2011-12 of course.

Tevez spent much of 2011/12 playing golf. I don't recall anyone saying he won us the league that year. He was much more influential the year before when we won the FA Cup.

 

[taconinja]

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Understand. Balanced analysis of strengths and weaknesses is good. Sometimes the debate about Dzeko seems to lack a bit of balance IMO. As a newby on here I may have got that wrong though! :-)

It's been better for a while honestly, but memories play a part. For a good long while, there were some very fervent Dzeko supporters who looked for any opportunity to take down our other players and they ranted endlessly about Dzeko rotating out for one match against inferior opposition post-Tottenham match in order to be rested for the Champions League. The worst seem to have got themselves banned. I wish he forum would go for a fresh start, though, when it comes to the player.

I seem to recall People getting banned for taking their support for Edin a bit too far but sweet FA happening to one or two loons who mocked the war in Bosnia.

Anyway, I'm more interested in what happens on the pitch and Edin was very good against the Geordies.

I in all honesty missed that part. This has been a multi-year, sprawling conversation. If the war in Bosnia was mocked (and I have no reason to doubt you) and nothing was done, I am disappointed.

 

[EaglesFan]

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BEST part about having Edin on your squad is (as many are yet to understand):

Every time he plays - you expect him to score....and majority of time he does.

So you become spoiled like that :-) You cant see the game - so you read the matchthread. Someone will shout "Get in Edin" and you're like "of course, whatever"...

Last year in the run-in I was commenting the game (@Everton) to a Bosnian buddy of mine who is a Liverpool fan (so I was giving him crap that they wont hold on)....I text him "Dzeko scores, 2-1 City" and he replies "of course, when does he not...fu*cker"

And it really is a privilege many teams/fans do not have...not to mention that Kun is the same way (you always expect him to score if he's playing).

 

[Matty]

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It's been better for a while honestly, but memories play a part. For a good long while, there were some very fervent Dzeko supporters who looked for any opportunity to take down our other players and they ranted endlessly about Dzeko rotating out for one match against inferior opposition post-Tottenham match in order to be rested for the Champions League. The worst seem to have got themselves banned. I wish he forum would go for a fresh start, though, when it comes to the player.

I seem to recall People getting banned for taking their support for Edin a bit too far but sweet FA happening to one or two loons who mocked the war in Bosnia.

Anyway, I'm more interested in what happens on the pitch and Edin was very good against the Geordies.

I in all honesty missed that part. This has been a multi-year, sprawling conversation. If the war in Bosnia was mocked (and I have no reason to doubt you) and nothing was done, I am disappointed.

If someone mocked the Bosnian war then they would have been dealt with by the moderators, if it was spotted. If it wasn't spotted, and no-one reported it, then we unfortunately can't see everything, in every thread, that is posted. One thing I can guarantee is that we wouldn't have seen anyone mocking the Bosnian war and simply ignored it, for anyone to suggest otherwise is a downright lie.

 

[mosssideblue]

Re: Edin Dzeko

Pellegrini made an interesting comment that he believes that Edin has matured as a player. I think this is definitely the case.

In many respects I now see him as part of a leadership group within the squad. His performances on the pitch are demonstrating maturity and the ability to continually improve. One aspect of this is his work rate. Much of the criticism that he has received on this forum was because of a perceived laziness on the pitch. Yet the Edin that I now see tracks back and forth, gets back and defends, roams around the pitch helping where he can, in addition to his his outstanding goal scoring record.

I also give him credit for his deeds off the pitch. I know that he returned home during the offseason and works very hard to be a role model for the young lads in his country. This to me also demonstrates a maturity as a person.

He has always been a polarising figure in his years at City. Yet now I believe that even his harshest critics are changing their views. This is all down to Edin and his improved performances.

So all credit to Edin. He thoroughly deserves the new contract. He is a vital member of the team and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

Full credit to Edin, he's a different beast altogether now and I'm glad he's made me realise I was wrong in criticising him last season. A pleasure for me to see him in a Blue Shirt. Now crack on and get your hat trick on Monday night please.

 

[teddykgb]

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Was just phenomenal in the air this past weekend. He won so many of the goal kicks and controlled them to teammates...it was startling. He often misjudges them a bit, but he was on fire and long may it continue.

 

[sir baconface]

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Fcuk me; some people love arguing for argument's sake.

Strange. Dzeko was shite, Hart was shite, Demi was shite, Nasri was shite, Clichy was shite, Kolarov was shite, A N Other was shite. Yet we are champions.

Can't we just agree that - along with a dozen or so others - Edin was absolutely integral to the effort that won us the title?

 

[supercity88]

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I think we are often too harsh on Edin because we have been spoilt by the exploits of Aguero who can score from nothing, by creating his own chances and take players out on his own. Edin is an integral part of our squad. He can hold the ball up and link the play, he can both create for others and score regularly but sometimes it doesn't happen for him. Whereas we are easy on Aguero because he truly is world class and we allow him a bad game, Edin doesn't get the same respect or exemption from criticism. Last season we needed Edin desperately to step up and see us through those crucial games and he did. Now he has been shown faith by the manager he has really stepped up and is full of confidence. He deserved a goal on Sunday, and had Nasri crossed the ball first time just after we had taken the lead, then he would have had a goal.