Edin Dzeko

[decmancity]

I see some City fans are still thinking that Dzeko or Tevez should be replaced...

Cold, hard fact is - neither of them should, our strikers are good enough. Who should be replaced is Barry and/or Garcia and/or Nasri - cause our midfield was fucking DREADFUL all season long.

Strikers, as "wasteful" as they are scored 50 goals...our midfield scored what, FIVE??

Not to talk about general creative midfield play - as, apart from Silva, there is none.

You are all looking at the wrong part of the pitch, I tell you.

Mixture of both. We have created a lot of chances and the forwards haven't put them away.

I agree we need more goals from midfield and I am sure this problem will be fixed this summer. Mancini liked to just have the rigid two midfielders in there to keep the game ticking over rather than add any real attacking threat. That's just how he operates.

Pellegrini works a bit differently.

 

[EaglesFan]

I see some City fans are still thinking that Dzeko or Tevez should be replaced...

Cold, hard fact is - neither of them should, our strikers are good enough. Who should be replaced is Barry and/or Garcia and/or Nasri - cause our midfield was fucking DREADFUL all season long.

Strikers, as "wasteful" as they are scored 50 goals...our midfield scored what, FIVE??

Not to talk about general creative midfield play - as, apart from Silva, there is none.

You are all looking at the wrong part of the pitch, I tell you.

Actually, according to Opta Silva has created the second most chances (including assists) in the league.

Whilst Nasri has created the second most, what they call, clear cut chances in the league this season.

A lack of shooting in general has cost us but our strikers need to be more clinical than our midfield needs to be more creative.

Those statistics might be telling only part of the story - as I can clearly recall parts of the season where strikers couldnt get a good pass to save their life...highlight to me was that dead-angle goal by Aguero vs. Liverpool...they had to pull off miracles to get a scoring chance...Silva and Yaya are always dangerous, no doubt. But they need support in the middle (for those dry spells, ACON, injuries, and that kinda crap) - which I dont think is adequate right now.

 

[NorCalBlue]

Couple that with the 17 goals each "the other two" strikers have, I would say yes

but double the playing time..

That's not what he asked though is it?

Also, double the playing time would mean Tevez and Aguero would have to have played over 4,500 minutes.

They haven't, but nice try.

Dzeko - 2414 minutes
Tevez - 3319 minutes
Aguero - 2678 minutes

Hardly "double" is it? But what reason would you have to exaggerate?...

Let's not get into this again - if you want a fair comparison of the stats for the strikers, I started a thread with a long piece about it ("A Stat Comparison of Aguero, Tevez, and Dzeko"). Otherwise we'll constantly have one side quoting number of goals and the other side quoting playing time, and we'll get nowhere.

 

[EaglesFan]

I want Dzeko (and Tevez, and Aguero) to stay and give it a shot under a different manager...as there might be a major formation/playing style change if Pellegrini is in.

 

[No17]

I want Dzeko (and Tevez, and Aguero) to stay and give it a shot under a different manager...as there might be a major formation/playing style change if Pellegrini is in.

Tevez doesn't rate Dzeko according to The Sun...

 

[pudge]

but double the playing time..

That's not what he asked though is it?

Also, double the playing time would mean Tevez and Aguero would have to have played over 4,500 minutes.

They haven't, but nice try.

Dzeko - 2414 minutes
Tevez - 3319 minutes
Aguero - 2678 minutes

Hardly "double" is it? But what reason would you have to exaggerate?...

Let's not get into this again - if you want a fair comparison of the stats for the strikers, I started a thread with a long piece about it ("A Stat Comparison of Aguero, Tevez, and Dzeko"). Otherwise we'll constantly have one side quoting number of goals and the other side quoting playing time, and we'll get nowhere.

I just answered Comrade Buke's question, fairly I may add.

Whilst also highlighting Anti-United's exaggeration.

Coincidentally, it's funny what stats only show part of the story and what are treated as Gospel

 

[NorCalBlue]

That's not what he asked though is it?

Also, double the playing time would mean Tevez and Aguero would have to have played over 4,500 minutes.

They haven't, but nice try.

Dzeko - 2414 minutes
Tevez - 3319 minutes
Aguero - 2678 minutes

Hardly "double" is it? But what reason would you have to exaggerate?...

Let's not get into this again - if you want a fair comparison of the stats for the strikers, I started a thread with a long piece about it ("A Stat Comparison of Aguero, Tevez, and Dzeko"). Otherwise we'll constantly have one side quoting number of goals and the other side quoting playing time, and we'll get nowhere.

I just answered Comrade Buke's question, fairly I may add.

Whilst also highlighting Anti-United's exaggeration.

Coincidentally, it's funny what stats only show part of the story and what are treated as Gospel

That's certainly true and without wanting to start this up again, if someone asks the question "who's scored the most goals this season, including the Community Shield", then you're right that the correct answer is Tevez and Aguero. And you're also right about Tevez' playing time not being double that of Dzeko. However, it's a bit unfair to paint the pro-Dzeko side as being unilaterally unfair manipulators of the stats. Perhaps you feel justified in your criticism and baiting because they started it (and I'm certainly not going to trawl through this and all the other similar threads to investigate that possibility).

However, attacking Anti-United's exaggeration of the playing time numbers is creating a bit of a straw man; even though his numbers are off, I don't think anyone could honestly argue that playing time is an irrelevant factor if we're judging goal scoring (unless you're really trying to support an agenda). But as I wrote recently (in this thread, I think), I don't even consider Tevez to be playing as a striker half the time (don't quote me on the half...), so it's almost a moot point to compare goal-scoring stats for the two of them anyway.

Can we not leave it by saying that (a) none of our strikers are "shit" (by any measure) (b) all of our strikers are capable of scoring a lot of goals when playing as a striker (c) we can all trot out stats that support our own views, but they're not likely to change anyone else's views (d) we all have our favorites (5) what we think will have no effect on whether any of the strikers goes this summer anyway.

 

[Sigh]

Let's not get into this again - if you want a fair comparison of the stats for the strikers, I started a thread with a long piece about it ("A Stat Comparison of Aguero, Tevez, and Dzeko"). Otherwise we'll constantly have one side quoting number of goals and the other side quoting playing time, and we'll get nowhere.

I just answered Comrade Buke's question, fairly I may add.

Whilst also highlighting Anti-United's exaggeration.

Coincidentally, it's funny what stats only show part of the story and what are treated as Gospel

That's certainly true and without wanting to start this up again, if someone asks the question "who's scored the most goals this season, including the Community Shield", then you're right that the correct answer is Tevez and Aguero. And you're also right about Tevez' playing time not being double that of Dzeko. However, it's a bit unfair to paint the pro-Dzeko side as being unilaterally unfair manipulators of the stats. Perhaps you feel justified in your criticism and baiting because they started it (and I'm certainly not going to trawl through this and all the other similar threads to investigate that possibility).

However, attacking Anti-United's exaggeration of the playing time numbers is creating a bit of a straw man; even though his numbers are off, I don't think anyone could honestly argue that playing time is an irrelevant factor if we're judging goal scoring (unless you're really trying to support an agenda). But as I wrote recently (in this thread, I think), I don't even consider Tevez to be playing as a striker half the time (don't quote me on the half...), so it's almost a moot point to compare goal-scoring stats for the two of them anyway.

Can we not leave it by saying that (a) none of our strikers are "shit" (by any measure) (b) all of our strikers are capable of scoring a lot of goals when playing as a striker (c) we can all trot out stats that support our own views, but they're not likely to change anyone else's views (d) we all have our favorites (5) what we think will have no effect on whether any of the strikers goes this summer anyway.

That's really wonderfully put.

I'm also in agreement with eaglesfan that I'd like to see all three under new management, which includes, amongst other things, a consistently high-quality wing threat (that does NOT mean just lobbing balls into the box) to probe, stretch, create holes and useable angles of attack.

Little bit Frankie Howerd there at the end.

 

[pudge]

Let's not get into this again - if you want a fair comparison of the stats for the strikers, I started a thread with a long piece about it ("A Stat Comparison of Aguero, Tevez, and Dzeko"). Otherwise we'll constantly have one side quoting number of goals and the other side quoting playing time, and we'll get nowhere.

I just answered Comrade Buke's question, fairly I may add.

Whilst also highlighting Anti-United's exaggeration.

Coincidentally, it's funny what stats only show part of the story and what are treated as Gospel

That's certainly true and without wanting to start this up again, if someone asks the question "who's scored the most goals this season, including the Community Shield", then you're right that the correct answer is Tevez and Aguero. And you're also right about Tevez' playing time not being double that of Dzeko. However, it's a bit unfair to paint the pro-Dzeko side as being unilaterally unfair manipulators of the stats. Perhaps you feel justified in your criticism and baiting because they started it (and I'm certainly not going to trawl through this and all the other similar threads to investigate that possibility).

However, attacking Anti-United's exaggeration of the playing time numbers is creating a bit of a straw man; even though his numbers are off, I don't think anyone could honestly argue that playing time is an irrelevant factor if we're judging goal scoring (unless you're really trying to support an agenda). But as I wrote recently (in this thread, I think), I don't even consider Tevez to be playing as a striker half the time (don't quote me on the half...), so it's almost a moot point to compare goal-scoring stats for the two of them anyway.

Can we not leave it by saying that (a) none of our strikers are "shit" (by any measure) (b) all of our strikers are capable of scoring a lot of goals when playing as a striker (c) we can all trot out stats that support our own views, but they're not likely to change anyone else's views (d) we all have our favorites (5) what we think will have no effect on whether any of the strikers goes this summer anyway.

None of our striker's our shit, that's true. In fact;

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I don't know where the "pudge hates Dzeko" label originated, I don't shy away from criticising players but I don't do it unfairly or without reason.

I just don't like seeing unbalanced posts, like you say everyone has their favourite player but that doesn't mean other players should get brought down in favour of that player. Yes, Dzeko is our top goal scorer in the league and I've said that. but when posters constantly qualify like that ignoring overall records, or even saying "he has outscored Aguero and Tevez this season" it's simply to promote him above the other strikers as well as being misleading.

Also, I know Tevez scored in the Community Shield but even if you take that away he still has 16 goals, one behind Sergio who would be top with 17. However, both of those figures are drastically lower than they should be, as is Dzeko's with 15. All three have underperformed this season.

 

[Shadz69]

If he goes I wish him all the best if he stays I really hope he burns it up next season.A very good goal scorer and seems an immensely likeable chap but he does seem to be a confidence player.