Edin Dzeko

[Targetblue]

I hope that Dzeko stays when our new manager is named, as he has a lot to offer if we play with wingers. I'd play him as a target man with Sergio operating off him, and Tevez in the middle taking Nasri's place.
Every match will merit a different tactical plan but I'm sure that Dzeko won't mind being left out on the odd occasion that warrants it.
It was being left out all the time that frustrated him and I'm sure as fuck that I'd like to see him delivering for us next season rather than another team.

 

[NorCalBlue]

Can we not leave it by saying that (a) none of our strikers are "shit" (by any measure) (b) all of our strikers are capable of scoring a lot of goals when playing as a striker (c) we can all trot out stats that support our own views, but they're not likely to change anyone else's views (d) we all have our favorites (5) what we think will have no effect on whether any of the strikers goes this summer anyway.

None of our striker's our shit, that's true. In fact;

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I don't know where the "pudge hates Dzeko" label originated, I don't shy away from criticising players but I don't do it unfairly or without reason.

I just don't like seeing unbalanced posts, like you say everyone has their favourite player but that doesn't mean other players should get brought down in favour of that player. Yes, Dzeko is our top goal scorer in the league and I've said that. but when posters constantly qualify like that ignoring overall records, or even saying "he has outscored Aguero and Tevez this season" it's simply to promote him above the other strikers as well as being misleading.

Also, I know Tevez scored in the Community Shield but even if you take that away he still has 16 goals, one behind Sergio who would be top with 17. However, both of those figures are drastically lower than they should be, as is Dzeko's with 15. All three have underperformed this season.

Good God, we've found some common ground!

 

[pudge]

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[AntiUnited]

I just answered Comrade Buke's question, fairly I may add.

Whilst also highlighting Anti-United's exaggeration.

Coincidentally, it's funny what stats only show part of the story and what are treated as Gospel

That's certainly true and without wanting to start this up again, if someone asks the question "who's scored the most goals this season, including the Community Shield", then you're right that the correct answer is Tevez and Aguero. And you're also right about Tevez' playing time not being double that of Dzeko. However, it's a bit unfair to paint the pro-Dzeko side as being unilaterally unfair manipulators of the stats. Perhaps you feel justified in your criticism and baiting because they started it (and I'm certainly not going to trawl through this and all the other similar threads to investigate that possibility).

However, attacking Anti-United's exaggeration of the playing time numbers is creating a bit of a straw man; even though his numbers are off, I don't think anyone could honestly argue that playing time is an irrelevant factor if we're judging goal scoring (unless you're really trying to support an agenda). But as I wrote recently (in this thread, I think), I don't even consider Tevez to be playing as a striker half the time (don't quote me on the half...), so it's almost a moot point to compare goal-scoring stats for the two of them anyway.

Can we not leave it by saying that (a) none of our strikers are "shit" (by any measure) (b) all of our strikers are capable of scoring a lot of goals when playing as a striker (c) we can all trot out stats that support our own views, but they're not likely to change anyone else's views (d) we all have our favorites (5) what we think will have no effect on whether any of the strikers goes this summer anyway.

None of our striker's our shit, that's true. In fact;

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I don't know where the "pudge hates Dzeko" label originated, I don't shy away from criticising players but I don't do it unfairly or without reason.

I just don't like seeing unbalanced posts, like you say everyone has their favourite player but that doesn't mean other players should get brought down in favour of that player. Yes, Dzeko is our top goal scorer in the league and I've said that. but when posters constantly qualify like that ignoring overall records, or even saying "he has outscored Aguero and Tevez this season" it's simply to promote him above the other strikers as well as being misleading.

Also, I know Tevez scored in the Community Shield but even if you take that away he still has 16 goals, one behind Sergio who would be top with 17. However, both of those figures are drastically lower than they should be, as is Dzeko's with 15. All three have underperformed this season.

like i said before and a probably a trillion times on other threads keep the same strikers dont fukin spend 45 what ever on that fraud cavani. buy world class width and midfielders and we win the league simple as that.

 

[Bill]

he has had zero support. on or off the pitch.

The guys gone from a very good player with fantastic prospects to a shadow of himself. I'm sure a bit of confidents will give us back Edin.

Correct.
I'm looking forward to us being a much more free flowing side generally.

 

[Gabriel]

If the new manager plays a more open game, one that relies on attacking at pace and counter-attacking, then Dzeko could revel in such conditions. His goals against Real Madrid and WBA showed what he can do in such circumstances.

 

[BosnianDiamond]

If the new manager plays a more open game, one that relies on attacking at pace and counter-attacking, then Dzeko could revel in such conditions. His goals against Real Madrid and WBA showed what he can do in such circumstances.

THIS

All of our strikers would thrive in fast buildup and counter-attacking football. When you're passing it around endlessly in the midfield and around the box, it really tends to disrupt the rhythm that strikers have..forces them to play with their backs to the goal. It's not just Edin that struggles with that, look at our overall scoring.

 

[yerwot?]

some players instinctively do the right thing be it shoot or pass but when they have to make conscious choices get it wrong. Our intricate one touch approach is never going to get the best out of Edin. His debut and goals against R.M. and the rags were examples of instinctive finishing. The new manager will hopefully get us playing to his strengths and not his weakness.

 

[BobbyLazarus]

If the new manager plays a more open game, one that relies on attacking at pace and counter-attacking, then Dzeko could revel in such conditions. His goals against Real Madrid and WBA showed what he can do in such circumstances.

I'm inclined to agree. In general over the past 12 months Edin has looked a bit of a donkey to me. However, if I look at the few occasions since he's been here when we have set up to counter attack he has seemed transformed into a player who makes the right runs and selects the right pass with uncanny regularity.

So I'd say hang on and see what he brings to a new approach.

 

[Joehannes]

he has had zero support. on or off the pitch.

The guys gone from a very good player with fantastic prospects to a shadow of himself. I'm sure a bit of confidents will give us back Edin.

Correct.
I'm looking forward to us being a much more free flowing side generally.

Haha, so am I.