cleavers said:
samharris said:
Do you actually have the stats for how many he scored in those 16 starts ? because I'm pretty sure it wasn't 15, in fact I know it wasn't because he scored 1 in the champions league, and that 1 can't count.
The stats are 15 goals from 43 appearances, if you are going to use 1 of the numbers, then you have to use them all, so if you feel like breaking it down to goals/starts, then please do so by quoting the accurate number of goals in those "starts" only.
I don't have any problem with Dzeko, but I don't happen to rate him as highly as some do (mainly his compatriates), yes he scores goals, but he also misses them, and can be pretty selfish as a player, where his other contributions are minimal.
One thing I don't like is when stats are used to prove a point in a pretty misleading way, like 15 goals from 16 starts, which it simply wasn't.
I have those stats!
In all competitive games last season (Soton home - Norwich home) Dzeko played 2083 minutes as a starter and scored 8 goals (0.36 goals/game, assuming 94 minutes per game). He played 555 minutes as a sub and scored 7 goals (1.19 goals/game). As a
starter in the league, his numbers were; 8 goals from 1393 minutes (0.54 goals/game), and as a sub he scored 6 in 514 minutes (1.10 goals/game).
For comparison, when starting, Aguero scored 15 goals in 2430 minutes (0.58 goals/game) and 2 in 293 minutes as a sub (0.64 goals/game), Tevez scored 15 goals as a starter in 3149 minutes (0.45 goals/game) and 1 in 224 minutes as a sub (0.42 goals/game).
In the league Aguero scored 10 goals in 1792 minutes when starting (0.52 goals/game) and 2 in 224 as a sub (0.84 goals/game), whereas Tevez scored 10 in 2312 minutes (0.41 goals/game) as a starter and 1 in 167 minutes as a sub (0.56 goals/game).
So overall, Aguero had the best scoring rate as a starter, followed by Tevez, then Dzeko (which supports the theory that our style didn't suit Dzeko, or that Dzeko isn't as good as the others). Overall, the best scoring rate as a sub was Dzeko, followed by Aguero, and then Tevez (which supports the theory that when we became more direct at the end of games when tiki-taka wasn't working, Dzeko thrived, or that he's only any good as a super-sub).
Although it's not immediately obvious to me
why the numbers would be that different,
in the league the picture
is different. As a starter, Dzeko had a slightly better scoring rate than Aguero, with Tevez third. The league numbers for scoring as a sub have the same order (Dzeko then Aguero, then Tevez).
Make of all that what you will (this should get us to 500 pages...).