Edin Dzeko

[Matty]

Ultimately the Dzeko argument always comes down to the same thing, on the pro-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters pointing out his past exploits (the QPR goal, his record at Wolfsburg etc) as well as his goalscoring record, whereas on the anti-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters looking at the here and now and asking for more than just goals from Dzeko. It all depends where your views lie as to whether you're happy with what Dzeko is doing. Personally I think he needs to do more than score goals, we've got Aguero and Negredo who can score equally as often, if not more regularly, and they both bring other attributes to the table. Given our resources I don't think it's going out on a limb too much to say that we could sell Dzeko for a decent amount, and bring in another striker with the potential to score us 15-20 goals a season AND contribute in other ways to the first team. Dzeko is a little like Berbatov (although not as extreme an example), he'll never be a player who is overly bothered in anything else other than trying to score, which is great when he's scoring regularly, but for a club in City's current position we need more than that.

Pretty much sums up my feelings. I would always have Negredo over Dzeko as offers so much more than goals.

The added advantage Negredo has over Dzeko is that he seems to have, very quickly, developed a really promising playing relationship with Aguero. Strike partnerships sometimes just click, and whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say that Aguero and Negredo are always on the same page, their partnership has come along far quicker and much more naturally than Aguero's and Dzeko's. That isn't a slight on Dzeko at all, sometimes certain players are just suited to play together, in Negredo and Aguero I think we may have found such a pair.

 

[moomba]

Yet despite his minimal effort,being easily dispossesed,poor body language and being incredibly poor with no fight he still scored 2 goals and had an assist..

Yes he did.

Its a shame Moomba that you'd probably say the same if we had lost those games..

Yes I would

We could win every game from now til the end of the season by 1 goal to nil with Edin scoring every game but playing badly and we would all still be on here arguing fussing and fighting..

Yes we probably would.

This isnt about Dzeko anymore..all that needs saying has been said by both sides and tbh its now just giving visitors to this site a good laugh..

Not sure what it is about if not Dzeko. I've never been one for slagging him off, I know that has happened here in the past. But his efforts and attitude this season has left me incredibly frustrated. A goal here or there doesn't change the fact that I believe he is capable of giving us much, much more. And for me, that leaves him open for criticism.

The contrast between him and Negredo has been incredible.

This is about personal one upmanship battles between posters that will never be won..

Immovable object v an unstoppable force and all that..

No, I'm talking about Dzeko. Don't care about one upmanship battles.

 

[samharris]

Ultimately the Dzeko argument always comes down to the same thing, on the pro-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters pointing out his past exploits (the QPR goal, his record at Wolfsburg etc) as well as his goalscoring record, whereas on the anti-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters looking at the here and now and asking for more than just goals from Dzeko. It all depends where your views lie as to whether you're happy with what Dzeko is doing. Personally I think he needs to do more than score goals, we've got Aguero and Negredo who can score equally as often, if not more regularly, and they both bring other attributes to the table. Given our resources I don't think it's going out on a limb too much to say that we could sell Dzeko for a decent amount, and bring in another striker with the potential to score us 15-20 goals a season AND contribute in other ways to the first team. Dzeko is a little like Berbatov (although not as extreme an example), he'll never be a player who is overly bothered in anything else other than trying to score, which is great when he's scoring regularly, but for a club in City's current position we need more than that.

Pretty much sums up my feelings. I would always have Negredo over Dzeko as offers so much more than goals.

The added advantage Negredo has over Dzeko is that he seems to have, very quickly, developed a really promising playing relationship with Aguero. Strike partnerships sometimes just click, and whilst I wouldn't go as far as to say that Aguero and Negredo are always on the same page, their partnership has come along far quicker and much more naturally than Aguero's and Dzeko's. That isn't a slight on Dzeko at all, sometimes certain players are just suited to play together, in Negredo and Aguero I think we may have found such a pair.

Aguero and Negredo will become a fantastic partnership in the prem,but I believe Dzeko still has a part to play for us.. hes a goalscorer who offers nowt else tbh except goals...but goals win games and points,and for me, Im happy with that....Its our back line and keeper who are letting us down and costing us points..

 

[Anonymous]

But his efforts and attitude this season has left me incredibly frustrated. A goal here or there doesn't change the fact that I believe he is capable of giving us much, much more. And for me, that leaves him open for criticism.

I don't think it's fair to characterise 6 goals in 11 appearances as a goal here and there. I also don't think that Negredo being a better partner for Kun should be used as a stick to beat Edin with. His performances this season have been largely the same as they have been for all his time at City. At times frustrating at times fantastic. Just because he doesn't charge around like a bull in a China shop it doesn't mean he's not giving his all.

 

[samharris]

But his efforts and attitude this season has left me incredibly frustrated. A goal here or there doesn't change the fact that I believe he is capable of giving us much, much more. And for me, that leaves him open for criticism.

I don't think it's fair to characterise 6 goals in 11 appearances as a goal here and there. I also don't think that Negredo being a better partner for Kun should be used as a stick to beat Edin with. His performances this season have been largely the same as they have been for all his time at City. At times frustrating at times fantastic. Just because he doesn't charge around like a bull in a China shop it doesn't mean he's not giving his all.

Everyone expects Dzeko to be like Negredo tbh Billy, but thats like asking Berbatov to be like Drogba, or Benteke to be like Aguero..

All goalscorers have their own traights,and Dzeko has his own traight and some see it as lazy or cant be arsed..

It is far from that tbh- 6 goals in 11 games could be 21/22 goals this season..

Not bad for a player who cant be arsed and 3rd in the pecking order..

 

[moomba]

But his efforts and attitude this season has left me incredibly frustrated. A goal here or there doesn't change the fact that I believe he is capable of giving us much, much more. And for me, that leaves him open for criticism.

I don't think it's fair to characterise 6 goals in 11 appearances as a goal here and there. I also don't think that Negredo being a better partner for Kun should be used as a stick to beat Edin with. His performances this season have been largely the same as they have been for all his time at City. At times frustrating at times fantastic. Just because he doesn't charge around like a bull in a China shop it doesn't mean he's not giving his all.

Maybe I've missed it over the past few years. There has been the odd performance and there in the past but to me he's taken it to another level of "can't be arsedness" this season. Don't care if he doesn't charge around like a bull in a China shop, but the lack of effort and fight in him this season has been obvious to me.

 

[Oyster28catcher]

good performance at weekend, great player

 

[Matty]

But his efforts and attitude this season has left me incredibly frustrated. A goal here or there doesn't change the fact that I believe he is capable of giving us much, much more. And for me, that leaves him open for criticism.

I don't think it's fair to characterise 6 goals in 11 appearances as a goal here and there. I also don't think that Negredo being a better partner for Kun should be used as a stick to beat Edin with. His performances this season have been largely the same as they have been for all his time at City. At times frustrating at times fantastic. Just because he doesn't charge around like a bull in a China shop it doesn't mean he's not giving his all.

Everyone expects Dzeko to be like Negredo tbh Billy, but thats like asking Berbatov to be like Drogba, or Benteke to be like Aguero..

All goalscorers have their own traights,and Dzeko has his own traight and some see it as lazy or cant be arsed..

It is far from that tbh- 6 goals in 11 games could be 21/22 goals this season..

Not bad for a player 3rd in the pecking order..

I'm not sure I actually know what Dzeko's traits are as a player, other than the scoring of goals (which, as I've mentioned earlier, we also get from Aguero and Negredo). With Aguero and Negredo you can point to the "other things" they do, besides scoring goals. With Dzeko I'm not so sure. I don't expect him to be Aguero II or Negredo II, every player has their own style, and their own strengths and weaknesses. I'd just be intrigued to know what you, as a pro-Dzeko poster, see as the "other things" Dzeko brings?

 

[Bigga]

The problem with Dzeko is we have 2 better strikers

Or debatably 3.

Round it to 10. So its three now plus two from EDS team, plus Michael Smith (22,Wimbledon on loan from Charlton), David Mooney (29,Leyton Orient) and pick three more from your neighborhood.

Simply the BEST response on this whole thread!!

 

[samharris]

I don't think it's fair to characterise 6 goals in 11 appearances as a goal here and there. I also don't think that Negredo being a better partner for Kun should be used as a stick to beat Edin with. His performances this season have been largely the same as they have been for all his time at City. At times frustrating at times fantastic. Just because he doesn't charge around like a bull in a China shop it doesn't mean he's not giving his all.

Everyone expects Dzeko to be like Negredo tbh Billy, but thats like asking Berbatov to be like Drogba, or Benteke to be like Aguero..

All goalscorers have their own traights,and Dzeko has his own traight and some see it as lazy or cant be arsed..

It is far from that tbh- 6 goals in 11 games could be 21/22 goals this season..

Not bad for a player 3rd in the pecking order..

I'm not sure I actually know what Dzeko's traits are as a player, other than the scoring of goals (which, as I've mentioned earlier, we also get from Aguero and Negredo). With Aguero and Negredo you can point to the "other things" they do, besides scoring goals. With Dzeko I'm not so sure. I don't expect him to be Aguero II or Negredo II, every player has their own style, and their own strengths and weaknesses. I'd just be intrigued to know what you, as a pro-Dzeko poster, see as the "other things" Dzeko brings?

Ive already said that his traight is as a goalscorer...hes not got the skill do do much else in all honesty..His traight is that on his day he is a lethal goalscorer who scores his fair share..and as a lifelong City fan,anyone who scores regularely for City is deserving of a place in the squad and team.

 

[Bigga]

Ultimately the Dzeko argument always comes down to the same thing, on the pro-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters pointing out his past exploits (the QPR goal, his record at Wolfsburg etc) as well as his goalscoring record, whereas on the anti-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters looking at the here and now and asking for more than just goals from Dzeko. It all depends where your views lie as to whether you're happy with what Dzeko is doing. Personally I think he needs to do more than score goals, we've got Aguero and Negredo who can score equally as often, if not more regularly, and they both bring other attributes to the table. Given our resources I don't think it's going out on a limb too much to say that we could sell Dzeko for a decent amount, and bring in another striker with the potential to score us 15-20 goals a season AND contribute in other ways to the first team. Dzeko is a little like Berbatov (although not as extreme an example), he'll never be a player who is overly bothered in anything else other than trying to score, which is great when he's scoring regularly, but for a club in City's current position we need more than that.

A pretty fair assessment of the situation.

I really like Edin ... was a big season for him this one but I think sadly for him in Negredo we've simply signed a superior player who has developed a superior understanding with Kun. Come the summer I suspect Edin will be a Dortmund player, and if he is i for one will wish him all the best.

In the meantime though we have a hell of a lot of football to be played and it'll only take one injury for Edin to become paramount to our chances of winning things. For this reason alone I find it mad how many people are seemingly desperate for us to get rid of him.

You do know that when Edin gets the game time, he will be able to find the rhythm he needs to also contribute to the team's play, this season? Negredo has been given that time to play and learn the pace and intensity of the Prem.

Like I said before, Pellers has decided Al doesn't have the time to drip learn the Prem. It is much the same as Fernandinho's 'sink or swim' development and I think people are misreading Pellers' intentions for the team.

Oh well.

 

[pudge]

Ultimately the Dzeko argument always comes down to the same thing, on the pro-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters pointing out his past exploits (the QPR goal, his record at Wolfsburg etc) as well as his goalscoring record, whereas on the anti-Dzeko side of the fence you've got posters looking at the here and now and asking for more than just goals from Dzeko. It all depends where your views lie as to whether you're happy with what Dzeko is doing. Personally I think he needs to do more than score goals, we've got Aguero and Negredo who can score equally as often, if not more regularly, and they both bring other attributes to the table. Given our resources I don't think it's going out on a limb too much to say that we could sell Dzeko for a decent amount, and bring in another striker with the potential to score us 15-20 goals a season AND contribute in other ways to the first team. Dzeko is a little like Berbatov (although not as extreme an example), he'll never be a player who is overly bothered in anything else other than trying to score, which is great when he's scoring regularly, but for a club in City's current position we need more than that.

A pretty fair assessment of the situation.

I really like Edin ... was a big season for him this one but I think sadly for him in Negredo we've simply signed a superior player who has developed a superior understanding with Kun. Come the summer I suspect Edin will be a Dortmund player, and if he is i for one will wish him all the best.

In the meantime though we have a hell of a lot of football to be played and it'll only take one injury for Edin to become paramount to our chances of winning things. For this reason alone I find it mad how many people are seemingly desperate for us to get rid of him.

You do know that when Edin gets the game time, he will be able to find the rhythm he needs to also contribute to the team's play, this season?Negredo has been given that time to play and learn the pace and intensity of the Prem.

Like I said before, Pellers has decided Al doesn't have the time to drip learn the Prem. It is much the same as Fernandinho's 'sink or swim' development and I think people are misreading Pellers' intentions for the team.

Oh well.

The difference in their playing time is about 70 minutes.

With Dzeko starting more games and Negredo coming off of the bench more times than Edin. So if anything Negredo's time on the pitch has been more 'stop/start'.

Saying Negredo has had the time to adjust and find a rythym unlike Dzeko is not quite true.

 

[Matty]

Everyone expects Dzeko to be like Negredo tbh Billy, but thats like asking Berbatov to be like Drogba, or Benteke to be like Aguero..

All goalscorers have their own traights,and Dzeko has his own traight and some see it as lazy or cant be arsed..

It is far from that tbh- 6 goals in 11 games could be 21/22 goals this season..

Not bad for a player 3rd in the pecking order..

I'm not sure I actually know what Dzeko's traits are as a player, other than the scoring of goals (which, as I've mentioned earlier, we also get from Aguero and Negredo). With Aguero and Negredo you can point to the "other things" they do, besides scoring goals. With Dzeko I'm not so sure. I don't expect him to be Aguero II or Negredo II, every player has their own style, and their own strengths and weaknesses. I'd just be intrigued to know what you, as a pro-Dzeko poster, see as the "other things" Dzeko brings?

Ive already said that his traight is as a goalscorer...hes not got the skill do do much else in all honesty..His traight is that on his day he is a lethal goalscorer who scores his fair share..and as a lifelong City fan,anyone who scores regularely for City is deserving of a place in the squad and team.

Then that's where my issue lies. Aguero and Negredo possess the trait of being goalscorers. They also possess other traits, different ones to each other, and therefore add to the team even when they aren't scoring goals. Dzeko possesses the goalscorer trait, but by your own admission, which kind of backs up my own thoughts on this, he doesn't possess any other traits to add to that. So, when he isn't scoring goals, he isn't really adding too much else to the side. My opinion is that Manchester City are blessed with a huge amount of money, and this money means that we can attract some truly exceptional footballers to the club. We could sell Dzeko for something like £15m - £20m (given the cost of buying Negredo I don't think that is unrealistic) and then spend £25m or so on a player who could score 20 or so goals a season AND had other traits to add. If the prospect of spending money was one which City struggled with then, as a third option, a striker who could score you 20 goals wouldn't be a bad one at all. However, as we have the resources to upgrade then you have to ask the question, why should we hold on to a player like Dzeko when we sould bring in a replacement who can add more than him?

The lack of other traits also answers the question "why is Dzeko only 3rd choice and losing game time to Negredo?". The answer is simple, Player A can get you 20 goals a season. Player B can get you 20 goals a season, and works the back line hard, battles the centre half, links up play well with his teammates and holds the ball up well. Which player would you pick?

 

[Anonymous]

Saying Negredo has had the time to adjust and find a rythym unlike Dzeko is not quite true.

Yeah I agree ... I just think it's apparent that Negredo and Kun have an understanding, and for me more importantly, Negredo understands that playing for Kun will better serve him as well. That's one thing Dzeko certainly can't do IMO ... play for another striker. He's too greedy, too selfish, spends a lot of games playing like he's trying to prove a point to the manager about what a great striker he is rather than contributing to the team play.

 

[sir baconface]

Even if we've got better strikers than Dzeko, that doesn't make him a ****. Far from it.

We are fcukin lucky to be able to choose from Aguero, Negredo, Dzeko and ( when fit) Jovetic.

 

[samharris]

I'm not sure I actually know what Dzeko's traits are as a player, other than the scoring of goals (which, as I've mentioned earlier, we also get from Aguero and Negredo). With Aguero and Negredo you can point to the "other things" they do, besides scoring goals. With Dzeko I'm not so sure. I don't expect him to be Aguero II or Negredo II, every player has their own style, and their own strengths and weaknesses. I'd just be intrigued to know what you, as a pro-Dzeko poster, see as the "other things" Dzeko brings?

Ive already said that his traight is as a goalscorer...hes not got the skill do do much else in all honesty..His traight is that on his day he is a lethal goalscorer who scores his fair share..and as a lifelong City fan,anyone who scores regularely for City is deserving of a place in the squad and team.

Then that's where my issue lies. Aguero and Negredo possess the trait of being goalscorers. They also possess other traits, different ones to each other, and therefore add to the team even when they aren't scoring goals. Dzeko possesses the goalscorer trait, but by your own admission, which kind of backs up my own thoughts on this, he doesn't possess any other traits to add to that. So, when he isn't scoring goals, he isn't really adding too much else to the side. My opinion is that Manchester City are blessed with a huge amount of money, and this money means that we can attract some truly exceptional footballers to the club. We could sell Dzeko for something like £15m - £20m (given the cost of buying Negredo I don't think that is unrealistic) and then spend £25m or so on a player who could score 20 or so goals a season AND had other traits to add. If the prospect of spending money was one which City struggled with then, as a third option, a striker who could score you 20 goals wouldn't be a bad one at all. However, as we have the resources to upgrade then you have to ask the question, why should we hold on to a player like Dzeko when we sould bring in a replacement who can add more than him?

The lack of other traits also answers the question "why is Dzeko only 3rd choice and losing game time to Negredo?". The answer is simple, Player A can get you 20 goals a season. Player B can get you 20 goals a season, and works the back line hard, battles the centre half, links up play well with his teammates and holds the ball up well. Which player would you pick?

Which one would I pick?? easy one that..Id pick the player best suited for the game being played and the opposition..
But that choice isnt down to me,its down to the manager...He sees more of the players than we ever will,and in his judgement I trust.

As for the highlighted bit, tell me a 20 goals a season striker who would come knowing they could be 3rd choice?? and if they are good enough push Aguero or Negredo out of their spots,and if they did,would we have unsettled players on the bench??

Its a fine balancing act that seems to have found its place here for the time being..we will not replace Dzeko with anyone better because players better than Dzeko would not accept a role behind Kun or Negredo..

Ive said it before and I will say it again...please name me a striker that will replace Dzeko as our 3rd choice striker??

 

[Anonymous]

We are fcukin lucky to be able to choose from Aguero, Negredo, Dzeko and ( when fit) Jovetic.

Totally agree with this ... I think it's a shame that Edin's become such a contentious figure amongst certain supporters. Like all footballers he has his strengths and weaknesses and we may well have better strikers than him in our squad but we also are very very blessed to have him at our disposal.

 

[wayne71]

Dzeko is just a pure goal scorer. Doesn't offer much else but over the years it hasn't done similar players any harm (van horse face for example). He'll score a boat load when he's made the focal point of the next team he plays for.

 

[pudge]

Even if we've got better strikers than Dzeko, that doesn't make him a ****. Far from it.

We are fcukin lucky to be able to choose from Aguero, Negredo, Dzeko and ( when fit) Jovetic.

Very true and I agree.

In my opinion, currently, Dzeko's contribution equates to him being 3rd choice. He either has to accept that or up his game, which we all hope he does as it will only benefit the team.

 

[moomba]

Even if we've got better strikers than Dzeko, that doesn't make him a ****. Far from it.

We are fcukin lucky to be able to choose from Aguero, Negredo, Dzeko and ( when fit) Jovetic.

Very true and I agree.

In my opinion, currently, Dzeko's contribution equates to him being 3rd choice. He either has to accept that or up his game, which we all hope he does as it will only benefit the team.

He is capable of more. I was hoping that when Negredo came in and performed well that Dzeko would see that as a challenge to raise his game. That is unquestionably the best scenario for us, but if anything I think the opposite has happened.

FWIW when he does go I will recognise the contribution he's made to our success. He's been a very important figure at the club, and for that I will wish him well. But he's annoying the hell out of me at the moment.