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Edin Dzeko
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I think some people "slam" Dzeko because often when he does get his start he looks languid for large parts of the game. It's a trait that will always annoy large sections of the fan base as we've been brought up on the notion that even if you're not having a great game or your confidence is a bit low, putting in 100% effort will buy you some credit.noise said:Listen, I don't think Pellegrini is being unfair. I think Negredo deserved the starts based on the level of effort and brilliance he's displayed on the pitch. I think anti-Dzeko gang has been unfair to Dzeko though.pudge said:Dzeko's been given as much a chance to play and make an impact as Negredo has this season.
The idea of bias on Pellegrini's part against Edin is bollocks as is the thought Dzeko hasn't got a fair chance and has been 'lied to'
Dzeko needs consistent time to improve his game. Which we all know he's not going to get with the competition in the team. That's something everyone should realize and not slam Dzeko for it, but come to terms with it.
With Edin you just don't get that, saying he likes to conserve his energy until the time is right isn't enough for where we're heading. Throughout the game there are going to be plenty of plays that require your forward to hold the ball up, keep possession and relieve some pressure for the midfield/defence, there's far too many occasions that Edin fails to do that. For all his goal scoring prowess, I feel the other aspects of his game that he doesn't do as well let him down.
I'd like to see him stay and fight for his place, he scores goals from nothing which is a valuable commodity at any standard of football, unfortunately I don't think he's up for the fight.
JoeMercer'sWay
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Ultimately it comes down to who is better for the team, and primarily that's who can get the best out of our #1 striker, Kun.
That at the moment is Negredo, they already have a good understanding (brought on by sharing a lingo that Dzeko doesn't speak(not his fault)). They're both hard working and thus I think understand better what the other wants to do, because they can both interchange, they have a similar approach to the game which I think gives them a better understanding. A telling example is that Wigan away game a few years back, where Aguero ran off with it and then was about to shoot and Dzeko took it off his toes, because they don't have that understanding and often get in the way of each other. Negredo and Aguero is far more fluid, far more dynamic with a better understanding and the other does the job the one in the key area would do if the roles are reversed. It's Tevez/Aguero but without that Tevez selfishness that means we get more out of it. When Tevez was willing to link play (a la 6-1 Norwich away) they formed a deadly partnership. The fact that Negredo/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko doesn't work as well as Negredo/Aguero is because of the above and because Dzeko is a completely different striker who works in a different way. That doesn't mean he doesn't do well, and doesn't score goals, but it isn't as effective as our best partnership.
City have to buy types rather than names nowadays, and Dzeko just stands out a bit like a sore thumb style wise.
That at the moment is Negredo, they already have a good understanding (brought on by sharing a lingo that Dzeko doesn't speak(not his fault)). They're both hard working and thus I think understand better what the other wants to do, because they can both interchange, they have a similar approach to the game which I think gives them a better understanding. A telling example is that Wigan away game a few years back, where Aguero ran off with it and then was about to shoot and Dzeko took it off his toes, because they don't have that understanding and often get in the way of each other. Negredo and Aguero is far more fluid, far more dynamic with a better understanding and the other does the job the one in the key area would do if the roles are reversed. It's Tevez/Aguero but without that Tevez selfishness that means we get more out of it. When Tevez was willing to link play (a la 6-1 Norwich away) they formed a deadly partnership. The fact that Negredo/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko doesn't work as well as Negredo/Aguero is because of the above and because Dzeko is a completely different striker who works in a different way. That doesn't mean he doesn't do well, and doesn't score goals, but it isn't as effective as our best partnership.
City have to buy types rather than names nowadays, and Dzeko just stands out a bit like a sore thumb style wise.
Yeah, that as well.JoeMercer'sWay said:Ultimately it comes down to who is better for the team, and primarily that's who can get the best out of our #1 striker, Kun.
That at the moment is Negredo, they already have a good understanding (brought on by sharing a lingo that Dzeko doesn't speak(not his fault)). They're both hard working and thus I think understand better what the other wants to do, because they can both interchange, they have a similar approach to the game which I think gives them a better understanding. A telling example is that Wigan away game a few years back, where Aguero ran off with it and then was about to shoot and Dzeko took it off his toes, because they don't have that understanding and often get in the way of each other. Negredo and Aguero is far more fluid, far more dynamic with a better understanding and the other does the job the one in the key area would do if the roles are reversed. It's Tevez/Aguero but without that Tevez selfishness that means we get more out of it. When Tevez was willing to link play (a la 6-1 Norwich away) they formed a deadly partnership. The fact that Negredo/Dzeko and Aguero/Dzeko doesn't work as well as Negredo/Aguero is because of the above and because Dzeko is a completely different striker who works in a different way. That doesn't mean he doesn't do well, and doesn't score goals, but it isn't as effective as our best partnership.
City have to buy types rather than names nowadays, and Dzeko just stands out a bit like a sore thumb style wise.
noise
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I agree. Although, for as long as Dzeko is in this team, his fans will be around as well. Someone said above that Dzeko's fans are fanatical, this is absolutely true, Bosnian NT has a very passionate fan base. They often outnumber opposing fans at away games. For instance the upcoming friendly of Bosnia vs. Argentina in St. Louis will be a home game for Bosnian NT. I know because US was supposed to play that friendly and it would have been an "away" game for us even.pudge said:I wasn't aiming that at you but a previous poster had claimed the above, which is ridiculous.noise said:Listen, I don't think Pellegrini is being unfair. I think Negredo deserved the starts based on the level of effort and brilliance he's displayed on the pitch. I think anti-Dzeko gang has been unfair to Dzeko though.pudge said:Dzeko's been given as much a chance to play and make an impact as Negredo has this season.
The idea of bias on Pellegrini's part against Edin is bollocks as is the thought Dzeko hasn't got a fair chance and has been 'lied to'
Dzeko needs consistent time to improve his game. Which we all know he's not going to get with the competition in the team. That's something everyone should realize and not slam Dzeko for it, but come to terms with it.
As I've said before, Dzeko won't get 5-10 interrupted starts, only Aguero could manage that;
Firstly, because we have 3/4 strikers who need game time and also because we simply can't afford to grant a striker time to find his form, not when were competing on so many fronts.
As it stands, Dzeko's contribution means he's 3rd choice. He and his fans, for lack of a better word, either have to accept that and move on which would arguably be beneficial to all, or just grab the bull by the horns for once and up his game which again would be beneficial for all.
If it continues as it is, it goes Aguero, Negredo then Dzeko. That's reality, not due to bias or hatred.
Again, not aimed at you noise.
Passionate borderline fanatical fans is what makes football special, and I think we should embrace it. Doesn't every team want passionate fans?
I think it's natural for them to think that Pellegrini is being unfair to Dzeko, after Mancini, however I don't think it's true. If anything Dzeko is a victim of bad circumstances. I even think Pelle rested Dzeko so he can concentrate on his WC qualifier matches which came at a good time for Negredo, who used the opportunity to earn his starting spot.
And like I said I do agree that Negredo earned the starting spot over Dzeko fair and square. And deserves to be starting. But Dzeko deserves a little more faith from everyone else in general, he's been good to us. He's still a very capable goal scorer, despite years of frustration and decline on the substitute bench.
noise
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Tevez and Aguero wasn't working last season. We struggled to score when they started. Dzeko earning his super sub status is an evidence of that. There would be no need for Dzeko's late game exploits if everything was working well with Tevez and Aguero.moomba said:noise said:Once Balloteli was sold and Aguero was injured, Mancini really had no other choice than to give Dzeko some starts.
Balotelli made 7 starts. 1 of them was alongside Dzeko. Aguero and Tevez were rightly our first two. Balo and Dzeko were rightly bench/squad options.
The stat that Dzeko scored 8, Aguero 4 and Tevez 3 goals in the first half last season says it all really. Especially when you consider he didn't start half the games Tevez started.
noise said:Tevez and Aguero wasn't working last season. We struggled to score when they started. Dzeko earning his super sub status is an evidence of that. There would be no need for Dzeko's late game exploits if everything was working well with Tevez and Aguero.
The stat that Dzeko scored 8, Aguero 4 and Tevez 3 goals in the first half last season says it all really.
When Dzeko started he was poor. Was quite effective as a late minute sub (how many of that 8 were goals scored as a sub?), and would be excellent in that role if he was prepared to play it. But he made it clear he wasn't prepared to play that role.
Aguero was injured last season, Tevez was excellent without being prolific. Dzeko was pretty good I thought, especially as a sub.
noise
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I agree with everything except that Tevez was excellent. I think he was highly overrated. He did have 3-4 games where he was excellent true, but for the most of the season he failed to provide much needed goals. And I think Dzeko would have delivered more (in fact he did deliver more goals in a more limited time when starting).moomba said:noise said:Tevez and Aguero wasn't working last season. We struggled to score when they started. Dzeko earning his super sub status is an evidence of that. There would be no need for Dzeko's late game exploits if everything was working well with Tevez and Aguero.
The stat that Dzeko scored 8, Aguero 4 and Tevez 3 goals in the first half last season says it all really.
When Dzeko started he was poor. Was quite effective as a late minute sub (how many of that 8 were goals scored as a sub?), and would be excellent in that role if he was prepared to play it. But he made it clear he wasn't prepared to play that role.
Aguero was injured last season, Tevez was excellent without being prolific. Dzeko was pretty good I thought, especially as a sub.
I understand Tevez is very well liked player, but I respectfully disagree that he was the right starting option.
TGR
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Pablo1 said:I think some people "slam" Dzeko because often when he does get his start he looks languid for large parts of the game. It's a trait that will always annoy large sections of the fan base as we've been brought up on the notion that even if you're not having a great game or your confidence is a bit low, putting in 100% effort will buy you some credit.noise said:Listen, I don't think Pellegrini is being unfair. I think Negredo deserved the starts based on the level of effort and brilliance he's displayed on the pitch. I think anti-Dzeko gang has been unfair to Dzeko though.pudge said:Dzeko's been given as much a chance to play and make an impact as Negredo has this season.
The idea of bias on Pellegrini's part against Edin is bollocks as is the thought Dzeko hasn't got a fair chance and has been 'lied to'
Dzeko needs consistent time to improve his game. Which we all know he's not going to get with the competition in the team. That's something everyone should realize and not slam Dzeko for it, but come to terms with it.
With Edin you just don't get that, saying he likes to conserve his energy until the time is right isn't enough for where we're heading. Throughout the game there are going to be plenty of plays that require your forward to hold the ball up, keep possession and relieve some pressure for the midfield/defence, there's far too many occasions that Edin fails to do that. For all his goal scoring prowess, I feel the other aspects of his game that he doesn't do as well let him down.
I'd like to see him stay and fight for his place, he scores goals from nothing which is a valuable commodity at any standard of football, unfortunately I don't think he's up for the fight.
And therein lies the problem. Dzeko never has been and never will be up for the fight.
I remember last season against Liverpool at the Etihad he went down like a sack of spuds and stayed down. The scousers played on and ignored him and refused to kick the ball out much to the displeasure of the us fans and also a few of the players and Sturridge went onto score. Then Dzeko picked his lazy arse up off the turf, got up and jogged off - nothing wrong with him!
He goes down far to easily for a man of his size and build and he stays down far to much. We need to move him on and replace him in january.
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