Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

[Gone for a Burton]

I suspect that extending the North Stand to match the South will be about as far as can be done with the existing stadium. The cost of extending the East or West Stand and putting a new roof while maintaining playing at the Arena would cost eye-watering amounts of cash.

Real Madrid took advantage of lockdown to develop the Bernabéu while playing at their training ground. Spurs built a new stadium from scratch while playing at Wembley.

If City ever go for a more futuristic stadium, it is likely to be a new build on an ajacent site somewhere?

Agreed.

The cost of rounding out the four corners to add an estimated 6000 ? seats will probably be uneconomical as well as non strategic in comparison to the NS and associated supporter services.

However, our owners want only the best and don't like being second to anyone.....nothing should be ruled out completely.

 

[franksinatra]

Agreed.

The cost of rounding out the four corners to add an estimated 6000 ? seats will probably be uneconomical as well as non strategic in comparison to the NS and associated supporter services.

However, our owners want only the best and don't like being second to anyone.....nothing should be ruled out completely.

People said that before the South stand level 3 extension but that has been built to anything but a high standard. The North Stand will only be built if it likely to be profitable and as it will be ‘the cheaper seats’ so likely to the same stand as South stand level 3

 

[nmc]

Agreed.

The cost of rounding out the four corners to add an estimated 6000 ? seats will probably be uneconomical as well as non strategic in comparison to the NS and associated supporter services.

However, our owners want only the best and don't like being second to anyone.....nothing should be ruled out completely.

I am no engineer but, i have wondered whether the club can build a new east and west roof structure over the existing roof structures with their own individual roof supports - like the south stand - and then remove the existing roof and the entire cable net system once the new structures are up - I am guessing these structures would include the 4 corners - I have little idea if this is feasible (a major issue must be the spirals being in the way) but it would be a way of continuing to use the stadium while making the changes.

I may be way off but changes will need to be made to the east and west stands in time.

 

[jrb]

I am no engineer but, i have wondered whether the club can build a new east and west roof structure over the existing roof structures with their own individual roof supports - like the south stand - and then remove the existing roof and the entire cable net system once the new structures are up - I am guessing these structures would include the 4 corners - I have little idea if this is feasible (a major issue must be the spirals being in the way) but it would be a way of continuing to use the stadium while making the changes.

I may be way off but changes will need to be made to the east and west stands in time.

Anything is possible. It‘s just the cost. Look at Bernabeu redevelopment. With a new retractable roof. You can just see the retractable roof to the left, underneath the main outer roof.

3 days ago.

Nuevo_Bernabeu - Instagram



In essence the Bernabeu will become a 89,000 capacity indoor stadia/arena, able to host numerous indoor events.

After dismantling the pitch, the venue is to enable conversion to other sports. It will be possible to play basketball, tennis and American football. Interestingly, it will be feasible to organise two matches at the same time, incl. basketball and tennis match by dividing the football field in half and installing temporary stands. As for non-sporting events, fairs and music concerts are planned.

Madrid: Bernabéu in 2023 fully multifunctional

stadiumdb.com

 

[kun]

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Not sure why bit that looks fucking ridiculous.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

I’m still waiting to get the bolt tightened up on my seat

 

[jrb]

I wonder if the 8 concrete spirals could support steel roof trusses that could support a new lower and flatter roof, that could amplify the noise and atmosphere better inside the Etihad, rather than the current cable supports, if the roof does need changing, which has been constantly mentioned throughout the thread.



San Siro.

 

[remember arthur mann]

I’m still waiting to get the bolt tightened up on my seat

Yep, I want to take in a file and emery paper to take the sharp burrs off my seat but I can't see it happening.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Which to me seems like another rule, made by the powers that be, which is like the way VAR is run. I have been to games including ours at Gelsenkirchen? where a sliding roof was closed, also rugby games at the Millennium Stadium and I think a closed roof adds to the atmosphere keeping the noise in. Or is it just certain clubs are against them as they would not spend the money on one. If those who say there would be no return on the money needed as the reason then I disagree as it is comfort for the paying supporters that count for me because in reality the toilets do not give value for money but they need to be there for the comfort of supporters and somewhere for the smokers to have their quick drag;-)

Anything is possible. It‘s just the cost. Look at Bernabeu redevelopment. With a new retractable roof. You can just see the retractable roof to the left, underneath the main outer roof.

3 days ago.

Nuevo_Bernabeu - Instagram

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In essence the Bernabeu will become a 89,000 capacity indoor stadia/arena, able to host numerous indoor events.

After dismantling the pitch, the venue is to enable conversion to other sports. It will be possible to play basketball, tennis and American football. Interestingly, it will be feasible to organise two matches at the same time, incl. basketball and tennis match by dividing the football field in half and installing temporary stands. As for non-sporting events, fairs and music concerts are planned.

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Madrid: Bernabéu in 2023 fully multifunctional

stadiumdb.com

The stadium is very impressive but I just don’t understand why they think there would be demand to hold basketball or tennis competitions in a football stadium.

Imagine being sat on the top tier of that football stadium trying to watch a tennis match. When you add in 90% of the seats would be empty just doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Prophet of Doom]

Decent article on the the difficulties with retractable roofs

Why Football Stadiums Don't Have Roofs - Football Iconic

Football stadiums do not have roofs due to the cost and complexity of construction, as well as the light and air requirements of grass playing surfaces. Football is also known as a fun, outdoor sport. Having roofed stadiums may negatively impact this perception.

footballiconic.com

 

[Centurions]

I wonder if the 8 concrete spirals could support steel roof trusses that could support a new lower and flatter roof, that could amplify the noise and atmosphere better inside the Etihad, rather than the current cable supports, if the roof does need changing, which has been constantly mentioned throughout the thread.

San Siro.

Not a chance they'll not use the steelwork in the centre of the spirals to support the front edge of the roofs. The roof when completely rebuilt will be like the SS now and slope down to the pitch. That will help enormously with the atmosphere I believe.

I found this via Skyscraper city website (it was you who actually quoted it as it happens :) ) from worselyweb.

Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

Looking forward to tonight and seeing the progress on the Academy with my own eyes following JRBs magic pictures!

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

"Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Had a good update on the stadium today. It is looking likely just the south stand at first the club have surveyed and very much want to phase this to avoid not selling out straight away. The north stand will follow next summer. The longer term plan is to develop the east and west stands although this is some years away. The payback period on the north and south stands is approaching ten years at 7500 per seat. In the next 7 to 10 years the 3rd tiers will have extra seats installed with only 8 or 9 rows in the mid central blocks but many more rows as the stand curves to the corners. The roof catenary system will come off and will slope down towards the pitch. For a few years the north and south ends will be higher than the east and west but longer term it will join as one. The image which has been posted on here as a 3 tier joined up satdium is very much the long term plan. The new seats will be on a cantaliver structure a bit like the San Siro or the kop where we will see the underside of the stand from the outside. If you can picture that. There is a big meeting this Friday. The long term capacity of city will be in the region of 75,000.

I am going to bump this thread in 2022."

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Not a chance they'll not use the steelwork in the centre of the spirals to support the front edge of the roofs. The roof when completely rebuilt will be like the SS now and slope down to the pitch. That will help enormously with the atmosphere I believe.

I found this via Skyscraper city website (it was you who actually quoted it as it happens :) ) from worselyweb.

Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

Looking forward to tonight and seeing the progress on the Academy with my own eyes following JRBs magic pictures!

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

"Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Had a good update on the stadium today. It is looking likely just the south stand at first the club have surveyed and very much want to phase this to avoid not selling out straight away. The north stand will follow next summer. The longer term plan is to develop the east and west stands although this is some years away. The payback period on the north and south stands is approaching ten years at 7500 per seat. In the next 7 to 10 years the 3rd tiers will have extra seats installed with only 8 or 9 rows in the mid central blocks but many more rows as the stand curves to the corners. The roof catenary system will come off and will slope down towards the pitch. For a few years the north and south ends will be higher than the east and west but longer term it will join as one. The image which has been posted on here as a 3 tier joined up satdium is very much the long term plan. The new seats will be on a cantaliver structure a bit like the San Siro or the kop where we will see the underside of the stand from the outside. If you can picture that. There is a big meeting this Friday. The long term capacity of city will be in the region of 75,000.

I am going to bump this thread in 2022."

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Exciting times, I can see this being another decade away before this happens, but I can’t wait to see it.

 

[Centurions]

Exciting times, I can see this being another decade away before this happens, but I can’t wait to see it.

Worselywebs post was from July 2013 BTW :(

 

[MrCheeseGrater]

Early in the new year means in the first 4 months in my mind, you've possibly set yourself up for some frustration there.

Don't think they'll leave it that late as they plan to start ground works in the summer. They'll have to give people notice as to what is happening and not releasing anything until Apri is far too late in my opinion.

 

[jrb]

Not a chance they'll not use the steelwork in the centre of the spirals to support the front edge of the roofs. The roof when completely rebuilt will be like the SS now and slope down to the pitch. That will help enormously with the atmosphere I believe.

I found this via Skyscraper city website (it was you who actually quoted it as it happens :) ) from worselyweb.

Etihad Campus, Stadium Development and Collar Site

Looking forward to tonight and seeing the progress on the Academy with my own eyes following JRBs magic pictures!

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

"Re: Etihad Campus & potential new stadium

Had a good update on the stadium today. It is looking likely just the south stand at first the club have surveyed and very much want to phase this to avoid not selling out straight away. The north stand will follow next summer. The longer term plan is to develop the east and west stands although this is some years away. The payback period on the north and south stands is approaching ten years at 7500 per seat. In the next 7 to 10 years the 3rd tiers will have extra seats installed with only 8 or 9 rows in the mid central blocks but many more rows as the stand curves to the corners. The roof catenary system will come off and will slope down towards the pitch. For a few years the north and south ends will be higher than the east and west but longer term it will join as one. The image which has been posted on here as a 3 tier joined up satdium is very much the long term plan. The new seats will be on a cantaliver structure a bit like the San Siro or the kop where we will see the underside of the stand from the outside. If you can picture that. There is a big meeting this Friday. The long term capacity of city will be in the region of 75,000.

I am going to bump this thread in 2022."

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It was just a thought. More roof discussion. :-)

I’ve stopped predicting 2 tie or 3 tier.

I’m just going to wait. Hopefully it won’t be too long into the new year when we see the proposals made public. Early January would be great. Like the 1st of January. What a great start to the new year that would be.

 

[richards30]

It was just a thought. More roof discussion. :-)

I’ve stopped predicting 2 tie or 3 tier.

I’m just going to wait. Hopefully it won’t be too long into the new year when we see the proposals made public. Early January would be great. Like the 1st of January. What a great start to the new year that would be.

Agreed! Not like the proposed plans won’t be ready anyway?

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Worselywebs post was from July 2013 BTW :(

Yeah, these plans have been around for a while. But I’ve got no doubt the club still intend to expand all four stands eventually. I’d say within ten years we will see all four stands extended.

 

[Jazzman]

Anything is possible. It‘s just the cost. Look at Bernabeu redevelopment. With a new retractable roof. You can just see the retractable roof to the left, underneath the main outer roof.

3 days ago.

Nuevo_Bernabeu - Instagram

View attachment 64550

In essence the Bernabeu will become a 89,000 capacity indoor stadia/arena, able to host numerous indoor events.

After dismantling the pitch, the venue is to enable conversion to other sports. It will be possible to play basketball, tennis and American football. Interestingly, it will be feasible to organise two matches at the same time, incl. basketball and tennis match by dividing the football field in half and installing temporary stands. As for non-sporting events, fairs and music concerts are planned.

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Madrid: Bernabéu in 2023 fully multifunctional

stadiumdb.com

Howcome it is economical for them to do such a thing, and for us it seems that the numbers are difficult? Are their tickets much more expensive?

 

[dickie davies]

I've never been in South stand level 3
Is the concourse up there as wide as it is in the L1 areas of the stadium?

 

[Gordyola]

I suspect that extending the North Stand to match the South will be about as far as can be done with the existing stadium. The cost of extending the East or West Stand and putting a new roof while maintaining playing at the Arena would cost eye-watering amounts of cash.

Real Madrid took advantage of lockdown to develop the Bernabéu while playing at their training ground. Spurs built a new stadium from scratch while playing at Wembley.

If City ever go for a more futuristic stadium, it is likely to be a new build on an ajacent site somewhere?

At last a post with sense To extend the east and west stands with another tier, or extended third tier, would be near enough impossible without removing the roof, it was never envisaged that the stadium would ever be extended hence the roof design.