EU Referendum Thread

[Metal Biker]

Trying to get to grips with this what is TTIP?

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.

In short it allows the US and EU to trade with each other. For this to happen certain regulations and rules will need to be lifted to make trade between the two groups much easier.
The main fear that TTIP objectors have is that it has the potential to introduce American style privatisation of public services to transport, education and (dun, dun, duuuuun!) The NHS.

So good thing about TTIP: Trade between EU and US, more money in the pockets for EU and US citizens. (allegedly)
Bad thing about TTIP: Privatisation of public sector jobs and services such as the NHS made much easier.

 

[Metal Biker]

Someone who is pro-EU is someone who DOES see the appeal in a Federal Europe in which we have an EU army, EU Flag, call ourselves 'Europeans', have no real affinity to national diversity and aren't really that bothered about the democratic process in electing those who make the decisions that affect and influence their lives. They're happy in that outlook and will therefore be impossible to convince otherwise to vote no.

People shouldn't be trying to convince them, but the millions of those apathetic towards the EU who accept it simply because it's there and are told "vote yes, because you need the EU" and think that's a good enough argument. People need to be informed that the scaremongering about what would happen in the UK left the EU would NOT mean the end of the country. The Lisbon Treaty stipulates that the EU must make a trade agreement with a country which leaves the EU, so trading can still continue with Europe with the added benefit of being free to trade with the rest of the world economies.

Another aspect about trade with Europe is that it's actually shrinking between UK and EU and that we're becoming less reliant on it. Its simple things like these that people don't know that could easily influence people to seriously consider independence especially when they become aware of the corruption in the EU. I often hear people saying "The Empire is over!" as a statement that Britain's place in being influential in the world is over as it was a bad thing. Then why the hell do you want to remain in a Union whose intention to become the exact same thing?! (and remember, this is a man who was not elected by the people to his position)

 

[urmston]

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.

In short it allows the US and EU to trade with each other. For this to happen certain regulations and rules will need to be lifted to make trade between the two groups much easier.
The main fear that TTIP objectors have is that it has the potential to introduce American style privatisation of public services to transport, education and (dun, dun, duuuuun!) The NHS.

So good thing about TTIP: Trade between EU and US, more money in the pockets for EU and US citizens. (allegedly)
Bad thing about TTIP: Privatisation of public sector jobs and services such as the NHS made much easier.

TTIP should make some lefty pro-EU types understand the truth about the EU.

It is all about making things easier for big business, often at the expense of workers.

These lefties have been very slow to realise this because their own public sector jobs have so far been insulated and protected to a great extent.

Now TTIP is imminent they are beginning to squawk about their beloved EU.

 

[Rascal]

Someone who is pro-EU is someone who DOES see the appeal in a Federal Europe in which we have an EU army, EU Flag, call ourselves 'Europeans', have no real affinity to national diversity and aren't really that bothered about the democratic process in electing those who make the decisions that affect and influence their lives. They're happy in that outlook and will therefore be impossible to convince otherwise to vote no.
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It is the lack of democratic process why unless it is adressed im voting out and im pro EU.

So i dont need somebody like you to convince me.

Cheers

 

[Lucky13]

A German run Europe , supported by the surrender monkeys , no thanks.

 

[aguero93:20]

A German run Europe , supported by the surrender monkeys , no thanks.

Which is exactly what you will have right next door as a competitor (and a huge one at that, with far more economic power than the UK) if you leave.

The UK should be placing itself at the head of the countries that want reform and making itself a force for change and the balancing power within the EU.
Not throwing a childish sulk and threatening to leave if they and only they, don't get special treatment.

 

[kas_tippler]

A Europe run by England and Germany would be the dream ticket, fiscally responsible combined with hard work. Junior partners would be The Netherlands and maybe Portugal, Greece would be put under special measures along with France. With the dream team of the Anglo Saxon Alliance, Europe would be on a safe footing.

 

[urmston]

A German run Europe , supported by the surrender monkeys , no thanks.

He wouldn't have stood for any silliness about referendums or free debate on human rights legislation.

 

[Metal Biker]

It is the lack of democratic process why unless it is adressed im voting out and im pro EU.

So i dont need somebody like you to convince me.

Cheers

Wasn't trying to, or even refering to you.

I'm merely stating that there are people who feel a Federal Europe in which Britain is just a state member is something they think will benefit everyone, so it's pointless for those wanting to leave in debating with them or trying to point out flaws in the EU organisation because they don't see them as negatives.

Just trying to get the debate flowing rather than have people argue pointlessly with people who have already made up their minds.

 

[Metal Biker]

Which is exactly what you will have right next door as a competitor (and a huge one at that, with far more economic power than the UK) if you leave.

The UK should be placing itself at the head of the countries that want reform and making itself a force for change and the balancing power within the EU.
Not throwing a childish sulk and threatening to leave if they and only they, don't get special treatment.

We've tried that. The EU have stated they will not entertain ideas for reform.

People are angry that the way the EU is conducting its business goes against everything that the European nations signed up for; having pointed this out to them they tell us that they will continue onward with their policies regardless of what the people think. TTIP, the Irish Vote, the Dutch Vote, EU Army, unelected commissioners. We didn't sign up to be governed. Anyone who thinks the UK has one iota of influence in the EU is deluding themselves. We haven't shown an ounce of influence so far.