EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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508 pages and a couple of inners are still trying to convince normal folk that uncontrolled immigration is good and a reason to vote in.

508 pages and the outers are still trying to convince themselves that uncontrolled immigration is to blame for everything thats wrong in their lives

same as it ever was

Imigration is such a complex issue and the EU debate is going nowhere near the fundemental issues. There is a vague notion that once out we can pull up the drawbridge over the channel and the problem goes away. That is pure fantasy.
 
So you think you want to remain in ?, but "In" what exactly is a question that should trouble anyone but the hard of thinking.

Slovakia, alongside Poland and Hungary are being threatened with €250,000 fines per migrant they refuse to re-home from the European Union, now its a fair assumption that these governments are doing so because of their populations objections, its the job of any government to carry out the will of the people in a democracy after all.

The EU is threatening to penalize these countries for being democratic, so what happens next, its not likely that these countries will pay up willingly or accept something the population does want so will that mean they will be expelled from the EU, or sanctioned until they say F*ck it and go their own way.

So what are you going to remain "In" if its already near breaking point ?

You may vote how you want, but the reason you have that vote is because generation have fought and in many cases died for it, you live in a country that despite its many faults is still a free country where you have the right to hold whatever beliefs you choose, but you also have the responsibility to maker sure the generations that come after you have those same rights.
 
This has been popping up in facebook recently and seems quite accurate

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Or...let's get the fuck out of here, happy hours over, they're tripling the price of beer and someone's just been glassed'
 
Talk about missing the point. There is no ( not that they are telling us) plan if we leave!. without that plan people voting on an exit have no clue what they are voting for.
 
Imigration is such a complex issue and the EU debate is going nowhere near the fundemental issues. There is a vague notion that once out we can pull up the drawbridge over the channel and the problem goes away. That is pure fantasy.


Immigration from the EU would go away because EU citizens post Brexit could no longer walk in and work or look for a job. A points based system would identify those we need from those we don't, how many Eastern European car washers/waiters do we need? If we do need immigrants we should be offering the best of the best the opportunity to come here, the next Aguero's and De Bruyne's not 333,000 pub players as is the case today. The aim should be to reduce the number of immigrants to the lowest possible number and concentrate on training people already here to do the jobs we need, training more nurses and doctors would be a logical start when we only have 20,000 nurses training places and 80,000 kids wanting to train. It is lazy and too convenient to simply claim the NHS would collapse without immigrants when we do not provide the opportunities for enough British kids to train and take up these jobs. There is no reason immigration numbers can not return to 30 to 50,000 that they were pre 1997 and bring in people as we need them, it just takes political will, a desire to do it and to stand against big business and bosses who want a never ending supply of cheap unskilled immigrant workers. Less immigration and greater employment levels here will raise wages its simple supply and demand.
 
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