EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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EalingBlue2 said:
I think Farage and his barely disguised nazi poster which didn't even disguise the racism is probably more the points. The non UKIP more moderate part of the Brexit side has been totally undermined by Farage and his letting loose as soon as he thought he'd won . Has he shown his true colours too early
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He has stated that the poster was saying how the EU has let us down, he stated that the Shengen zone and the Eurozone were in meltdown and asking the question how is letting all these people into Europe helping us and Europe. The poster states "The EU is letting us down" and quite frankly the way it has dealt with this mass immigration problem, I think it is.

Unfortunately, sometimes, some uncomfortable things need to be said, aired and addressed. The trouble is we in Britain are fearful of talking about these "delicate" issues and we get the immediate society knee jerk reaction that we're racist - don't get me wrong I'm not saying Farage is or isn't racist, I don't know him to be able to comment. But I do not think that I am racist.

There was or is no strategy or plan to deal with these people, Merkle made one of the biggest political fuck ups so far this century by telling the world everyone was welcome in Germany... and now look where we are.

This isn't something that brushed under the carpet, it needs to be confronted and addressed.

Sadly Farage may well have cost the leave camp victory by what he did, simply because society all want to find someone to attack and surprisingly enough he was not politically astute enough to see that coming as you correctly observe EB2.
 
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Some pretty funny tweets surrounding Warsi's announcement..

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BigJoe#1 said:
He has stated that the poster was saying how the EU has let us down, he stated that the Shengen zone and the Eurozone were in meltdown and asking the question how is letting all these people into Europe helping us and Europe. The poster states "The EU is letting us down" and quite frankly the way it has dealt with this mass immigration problem, I think it is.

Unfortunately, sometimes, some uncomfortable things need to be said, aired and addressed. The trouble is we in Britain are fearful of talking about these "delicate" issues and we get the immediate society knee jerk reaction that we're racist - don't get me wrong I'm not saying Farage is or isn't racist, I don't know him to be able to comment.

There was or is no plan to deal with these people, Merkle made one of the biggest political fuck ups so far this century by telling the world everyone was welcome in Germany... and now look where we are.

This isn't something that brushed under the carpet, it needs to be confronted and addressed.

Sadly Farage may well have cost the leave camp victory by what he did, simply because society all want to find someone to attack and surprisingly enough he was not astute enough to see that coming.
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No it's because sometimes we get to see who people truly are and when the wolf is shown beneath the sheets clothing people can no longer pretend who and what they are voting for.

It's fine to sit back and criticise Merkel she may well have made a mistake but had she not done so who's to say things could not have been seriously worse and that catastrophe may not have happened in countries of the EU far less equipped to deal with it. As I have said before it is Britain and France who have set borders, played policy games and bombed these countries creating the problem and notngermany. You shouldn't do that if you aren't going to be part of the solution.

I agree that racism needs to be aired because only when it is aired can people really see it for what it is and decide which side they want to be on.

Farage couldn't help himself he had to go one step too far in a move that made Warsi defect and Gove shudder. If someone as right as gove and Warsi find what he did offensive that says it all. If Brexit loses and it is far from over it will be entirely of farages making
 
EalingBlue2 said:
No it's because sometimes we get to see who people truly are and when the wolf is shown beneath the sheets clothing people can no longer pretend who and what they are voting for.

It's fine to sit back and criticise Merkel she may well have made a mistake but had she not done so who's to say things could not have been seriously worse and that catastrophe may not have happened in countries of the EU far less equipped to deal with it. As I have said before it is Britain and France who have set borders, played policy games and bombed these countries creating the problem and notngermany. You shouldn't do that if you aren't going to be part of the solution.

I agree that racism needs to be aired because only when it is aired can people really see it for what it is and decide which side they want to be on.
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It's not a question of taking sides EB2, it's about finding solutions. If your mentality is that it is about taking sides I can see why you're struggling to understand the situation.

Sad as it is, Europe at this moment us time not ready or prepared, socially, financially or politically to accept this vasr number of people. The reactions across Europe are showing this. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying these far left or far right wing political groups are correct, they're not, but the fact is, they're there, they exist and they cannot be ignored, they are part of the fabric of the culture that you, me and everyone else has created.

What we needed was a strategic plan to help these guys, something we just have not got or ever had. Sadly the answer was NOT to say everyone's welcome and Merkle herself is seeing this now.
 
The EU referendum has become a bit football fan like. I expect a non peaceful demonstration after the results like when Charlotte Church got the hump because Labour didnt win the National Election
 
smudgedj said:
Crocodile tears in Parliament?
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Oh fuck that remark. These were colleagues and friends of hers and the reason the Brexits hate this is because everyone can see that it's a genuine tribute and Farage has gone off half-cock and everyone can see what an ugly minded scumbag he is and dangerous to boot. Brexit are the only ones coming across as seeking to exploit it.
 
Pam said:
Thank God for Farage. Leave will lose this now.
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What? You think this faux moral outrage will have any effect on the working class?

The fact that he married a German is more likely to have an effect on the claim that he is a racist. i.e. none at all.
 
YPhrunts said:
What? You think this faux moral outrage will have any effect on the working class?

The fact that he married a German is more likely to have an effect on the claim that he is a racist. i.e. none at all.
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Yeah, that's why UKIP have loads of MPs and councillors right. And that's why the Brexits are panic stricken.

They don't like extremism in the UK and there are not enough working class Little Englanders to carry the day. The polls are swinging and I think there is real momentum. You can tell by the Brexit meltdown that they know that's true. I know people who have changed their minds because of Farage, btw and today's ugly little outburst won't have helped.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
He still refused to confirm he'd veto it (and there is a huge difference).... Why? We may find out after the referendum on Thursday.
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Yeah that's right, royally p1ss off the Turks at this delicate moment with Syria.

Genius.
 
Not mine but in tribute to Yep (Nopes) endless supply of pictures...

"We didn't fight two world wars to be ruled by Brussels/the Germans blah blah...."

I'm guessing, unless you are about 130 years old you actually didn't fight two world wars. I'm expecting that far from fighting any war, you've sat at home admiring your conservatory, and swallowing every euromyth Rupert Murdoch has fed you

You like the idea of "taking back control". You think leaving the EU will give you some kind of freedom. You haven't looked into the eyes of the people carrying those "taking back control" banners; Gove, Farage, Johnson. For some reason you think those guys have your best interests at heart? That they like alternative ideas? Or will allow you access to the truth? A free press? You do know that currently the UK is ranked 38th in the 2016 World Press Freedom Index? (Costa Rica, Ghana, Tonga and Uruguay all have a more independent media than the UK). That's how much our governing classes love freedom. They love their freedom (regulation-free) but not yours.

When they say "take back control", they mean; take control from Europe and give it all to them. The likes of Gove and Johnson and Rupert Murdoch. Journalist Anthony Hilton once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice."

Maybe the likes of Murdoch and Gove and Johnson and Farage want out of the EU because the EU has been the institution that has done most to give workers rights of employment. Many of the benefits and protections British people have at work are thanks to EU regulations, and there's zero chance the Tories would make maintaining those rights a priority in the event of #Brexit (see http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/25/workers-rights-are-on-the-line-in-eu-referendum-warns-tuc).

You need to know this; Murdoch wants more power and influence and the EU is standing in his way, Farage wants to privatise the NHS, even Cameron realised Gove was making a complete mess of being Education Secretary so sacked him; and Boris Johnson hates you.

The EU isn't perfect, far from it. But do you know what status Gove said the UK would have if we were outside the EU? He said we would be like Albania. He seemed to think that was a good thing (see http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-britain-will-act-like-bosnia-and-ukraine-in-event-of-brexit-says-michael-gove-a6991711.html).

I know some people who live in, say Burnley, are brought up to believe that people living the other side of the hill, like, say in Blackburn, are somehow their mortal enemies. I wasn't brought up like that. I was brought up to believe our similarities are greater than our differences, that our common humanity is something to be embraced. The idea of retreating into an enclave, away from Europe, away from the world, disturbs me. We should be connecting to the world, building bridges and alliances (not retreating to a little England).

I'm voting #Remain because I'd hate the idea of living on an island with xenophobic leaders, fewer rights of employment, disappearing press and media freedoms, and an economy on a par with Albania.

Plus, I genuinely love being European. Take Boursin, for example. It's the eighth wonder of the world.

#Boursin NOT #Brexit.
 
Monkfish said:
Not mine but in tribute to Yep (Nopes) endless supply of pictures...

"We didn't fight two world wars to be ruled by Brussels/the Germans blah blah...."

I'm guessing, unless you are about 130 years old you actually didn't fight two world wars. I'm expecting that far from fighting any war, you've sat at home admiring your conservatory, and swallowing every euromyth Rupert Murdoch has fed you

You like the idea of "taking back control". You think leaving the EU will give you some kind of freedom. You haven't looked into the eyes of the people carrying those "taking back control" banners; Gove, Farage, Johnson. For some reason you think those guys have your best interests at heart? That they like alternative ideas? Or will allow you access to the truth? A free press? You do know that currently the UK is ranked 38th in the 2016 World Press Freedom Index? (Costa Rica, Ghana, Tonga and Uruguay all have a more independent media than the UK). That's how much our governing classes love freedom. They love their freedom (regulation-free) but not yours.

When they say "take back control", they mean; take control from Europe and give it all to them. The likes of Gove and Johnson and Rupert Murdoch. Journalist Anthony Hilton once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice."

Maybe the likes of Murdoch and Gove and Johnson and Farage want out of the EU because the EU has been the institution that has done most to give workers rights of employment. Many of the benefits and protections British people have at work are thanks to EU regulations, and there's zero chance the Tories would make maintaining those rights a priority in the event of #Brexit (see http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/25/workers-rights-are-on-the-line-in-eu-referendum-warns-tuc).

You need to know this; Murdoch wants more power and influence and the EU is standing in his way, Farage wants to privatise the NHS, even Cameron realised Gove was making a complete mess of being Education Secretary so sacked him; and Boris Johnson hates you.

The EU isn't perfect, far from it. But do you know what status Gove said the UK would have if we were outside the EU? He said we would be like Albania. He seemed to think that was a good thing (see http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-britain-will-act-like-bosnia-and-ukraine-in-event-of-brexit-says-michael-gove-a6991711.html).

I know some people who live in, say Burnley, are brought up to believe that people living the other side of the hill, like, say in Blackburn, are somehow their mortal enemies. I wasn't brought up like that. I was brought up to believe our similarities are greater than our differences, that our common humanity is something to be embraced. The idea of retreating into an enclave, away from Europe, away from the world, disturbs me. We should be connecting to the world, building bridges and alliances (not retreating to a little England).

I'm voting #Remain because I'd hate the idea of living on an island with xenophobic leaders, fewer rights of employment, disappearing press and media freedoms, and an economy on a par with Albania.

Plus, I genuinely love being European. Take Boursin, for example. It's the eighth wonder of the world.

#Boursin NOT #Brexit.
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and because you're a sanctimonious snob.
 
They almost had me there, even the Mail on Sunday was telling me we were better off staying in.

The scaremongering and this blatant opportunism from Warsi has set me straight.

Out it is and just like the General Election result, no market analyst or pollster knows jack shit.

We are about to see the real whites of the eyes of this country and 40-odd per cent of it will finally realise they never really knew it in the first place.
 
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