EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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DavidSilvasLeftFoot said:
Nigel Farage recently came out and said he doesn't know what will happen if we leave the EU. This is a guy that's devoted decades of his life to the cause of leaving the EU and has been the movement's poster boy. Sorry but I'm not basing my future on "I don't know". It's not good enough. I don't want to live in a nationalistic isolationist country, I wan't to be a part of something bigger.

I don't want old men and women to decide my future for me. My own grandmother told me when I said i was voting to remain that I'm too young to understand and that everything was better before. Before? Like during the Cold War when everyone hated each other or ww2 when everyone was killing each other? The good old days? The EU is more democratic than our own parliamentary system. For Leave voters it doesn't matter what the experts say, they will dismiss everything as "scare tactics" or "lefty nonsense".

The only foreign politicians that support Brexit are Marine La Penn, Donald Trump, and Vladimir Putin.
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Comedy gold.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
I only ask because you don't sound like you have a grip on this at all.
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I think this is the general crux of it nationwide though to be honest

The is a small minority of people on both sides of the argument who have the whole picture

A slightly larger amount of people who have an OK idea on where they want to be

And a fuckwitteryous (Just made that word up) amount of people who have not got a fucking scooby doo and are basing their entire reasoning either on some tree hugging **** who wants to welcome the world to our shores and fuck the consequences...or a toothbrush tash SS paki bashing **** who wants to put up a wall to rival the northern wall of the Night's Watch

The latter options will be the decision makers in this referendum unfortunately
 
grunge said:
No. The possible economic disaster would be if the Eurozone crumbled if we left which would cause a massive global recession that would make 2008 look like a walk in the park. But that is worst case scenario.
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See, thats the main problem i have with remain campaign. I've heard all these 'disaster' scenario's before and most of them turned out to be utter bollocks.
Y2K we were told stuff like planes would be falling out of the sky.
Don't join the ERM thingy, Britain will suffer mass unemployment & recession.
Same thing was said if we didn't change from the Pound to the Euro etc.

When it came to pass most of these didn't even register a blip, and in hindsight we were actually better off by not doing what the institutions with vested interests,like the IMF, treasury, BOE suggested.

I firmly now believe that if we leave, we might have a slight blip to the economy for 12 months, but after that we'll be in a lot better position.
The Pound might drop against other major currencies like the dollar etc, but i think that if we leave the Euro zone will be on its arse, and the Euro will drop also paralleling the Pound, so there won't be much change.
 
smudgedj said:
BTW you may think you´re voting for the status quo but you´re not you´re voting for more integration.
Now try and make a positive case for your beloved European Union. Just exactly where will the 'project' be in 10, 15, 20 years time?
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This is the key point for those saying remain is the safe option. What's on the EU agenda?

First thing is the Financial Transaction Tax, which will wreck one of our key strengths. Even the EU reckoned this would depress growth significantly before they changed to a ludicrously optimistic set of assumptions.

Then there's TTIP, which is a blatant attempt by the US to impose financial and corporate hegemony and will lead to rampant privatisation of public services. Does anyone seriously believe Cameron's assurance that the NHS will escape?

Then there's further expansion. Serbia, Albania and Turkey etc. Does anyone believe that if Fuhrer Merkel has said it will happen then we'll be allowed to veto it? Yet more free movement of labour from them to us and free movement of capital the other way.

Then there's further integration as Germany imposes fiscal and political unity on all and sundry. But that's only if the Euro survives as the vast divergence of economic performance continues. The whole Eurozone could quite conceivably collapse into a heap in the next five years. Already the economic woes have impacted our own economy as we're so closely tied to it. It's like companies who supply a few big customers that suffer when one goes bust whereas those with a diverse customer base can generally shrug that off (albeit with some difficulty).

So tell me again how remaining is the "safe" option?
 
There were similar threats when Manchester was given a choice of a congestion charge. Apparently, the whole city would collapse without the revenue. As it turns out, a bit of the mancunian did but that was it.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is the key point for those saying remain is the safe option. What's on the EU agenda?

First thing is the Financial Transaction Tax, which will wreck one of our key strengths. Even the EU reckoned this would depress growth significantly before they changed to a ludicrously optimistic set of assumptions.

Then there's TTIP, which is a blatant attempt by the US to impose financial and corporate hegemony and will lead to rampant privatisation of public services. Does anyone seriously believe Cameron's assurance that the NHS will escape?

Then there's further expansion. Serbia, Albania and Turkey etc. Does anyone believe that if Fuhrer Merkel has said it will happen then we'll be allowed to veto it? Yet more free movement of labour from them to us and free movement of capital the other way.

Then there's further integration as Germany imposes fiscal and political unity on all and sundry. But that's only if the Euro survives as the vast divergence of economic performance continues. The whole Eurozone could quite conceivably collapse into a heap in the next five years. Already the economic woes have impacted our own economy as we're so closely tied to it. It's like companies who supply a few big customers that suffer when one goes bust whereas those with a diverse customer base can generally shrug that off (albeit with some difficulty).

So tell me again how remaining is the "safe" option?
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I posted this about TTIP. The Parliment will have no say in protecting the NHS

smudgedj said:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtscha...elsabkommen-ceta-nicht-mitreden-14279991.html

For those EU sycophants who struggle with their masters language, as I struggle with this one, its basically stating that the EU want TTIP and CETA to no longer be described as "a mixed agreement" but as a pure EU agreement.

Which means the parliaments of the EU member states will not have a say in ratification.
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