You could have your own thread or respond anywhere you like :-) . I didn't even know you could be thread banned . Banned from every school in the UK maybe but given some of the posts on the Cellar I am not sure you were even 10% of the way to a ban.I am banned from the teachers thread for telling a ditty! Otherwise you would have had your response.
It is just growing resentment full stop, resentment that has been growing for 3 decades. The EU going away will mean the resentment will start turning in on itself and it will be the regions of the U.K., the poor etc who will face the full force of it. It's sad that what was once a society is now increasingly a bunch of different groups looking for people to blame. As decline continues the out voters will probably face a lot of the resentment.Bluemoon has previous for this and bucking the trend doesn't necessarily make us wrong. We did that at the last election as well when the rwnj called it here for a tory win and just like this thread several vociferous posters just wouldn't have it and kept banging on about polls and the right wing being deluded etc. I think the polls are not really showing the growing resentment towards the EU and I actually think Cameron and the inners have badly misjudged the mood of the voters.
It probably reflects which circles you move in and where you are as to what people think. But to be honest if I got approached by an outer I would probably agree and humour them as I wouldn't want anyone frothing at me or going on about immigrants, or any of the usual Things that come up.This seems to be the case with most people you ask. I'm certainly not going to infer that means there will be a definite out vote,
maybe the same sort are responding more vociferously than quiet inners,the general polls either show the in vote slightly ahead,
but a day or two later the opposite is true.
As a point of note: Thanks to Bluemoon and this thread in particular, I decided the time had come. For the first time in my 55 years on this planet I decided to get actively involved in a political debate.
So I contacted the VoteLeave campaign and got a "Stall Pack" and set up a stall in Port Talbot which is relatively local to me. I was quite concerned about how this arguement would be received in South Wales which is a very unionised area and full of local Labour supporters. Bear in mind the majority of TU's and the Labour Party are backing the remain campaign.
I could not believe the response we had. I promise you there is no exaggeration here.
1. Over 85% of the people spoken to were all for leaving and they held very strong opinion.
2. A further 10% were genuinely undecided which included a couple of people who did not wish to disclose their views
3. Only 5% said I want to stay in.
There was nothing scientific about this survey, it was a normal Saturday morning in an everyday town centre, albeit a relatively poverty stricken place.
The feelings were strong and they meant it. Given that the people they believe in and follow faithfully (TU's and the Labour Party) I was amazed. I would have thought in these circumstances this would have been a town wher there was tough opinion on both sides.
I do wonder whether the Government has read the public mood on this correctly.
Still, it was one part (2 hours) of one day in one town.... and as the saying goes "one swallow does not make a summer"
Thought I'd share this to add to the debate....
Yes, you may be right. Although if you think that 'Not going on about immigrants' is helpful to the in camp, you know little about the general populace.It probably reflects which circles you move in and where you are as to what people think. But to be honest if I got approached by an outer I would probably agree and humour them as I wouldn't want anyone frothing at me or going on about immigrants, or any of the usual Things that come up.
I think it's time there was a lot of honesty about immigrants, their greater productivity, the fact they are brought in as it is the only thing growing the economy , that the money they bring in to the economy helps supports what's left of the aged pension etcYes, you may be right. Although if you think that 'Not going on about immigrants' is helpful to the in camp, you know little about the general populace.
It was one of the biggest topics raised by people responding to doorknockers of both main parties during the election, and UKIP secured over 4 million votes
because of it.
Oh, Kinnock certainly has ridden that gravy train!Cameron teaming up with that Welsh windbag Kinnock, (who has benefited from the EU to the tune of a goodly few quid,along with half
his family), together with Paddy Ashdown have been hitting the phones like trainees at a call centre, contacting the general public and attempting
to persuade us to stay.
Probably the biggest boost for Brexit yet, let us know if you get a call.
Oh, Kinnock certainly has ridden that gravy train!
Why, has worked his arse off for 50 years for the country more like, if he's a leech them there are tens of millions in the UK have made their money from far less worthy pursuitsAnd his wife
His son
Practically anyone in his family is on the gravy train
Leeches everyone of them
And his wife
His son
Practically anyone in his family is on the gravy train
Leeches everyone of them
No chance lol.Do the same thing with a 'Stay In' stall pack next Saturday and let us know how you get on.
No chance lol.
The people down here were quite engaging and did stop and speak. It was made quite easy for me as we had the local Labour Assembly Member, David Rees, campaigning opposite and he had Stephen Kinnock with him. My opening line was.... "hi, can I have a chat with you please? this isn't party political it's about Europe," once I had said that people did stop and talk. I accept there are and were people who did not want to engage.... pretty much like myself when I see people wanting to stop and talk to me in the street, but the majority did and, as I said earlier the breakdown of those that did showed massive support to leave.
Better than me doing a Remain campaign stall, why don't you or some of the other ardent inners like Ealingblue do it? It would be genuinely interesting.
No chance lol.
The people down here were quite engaging and did stop and speak. It was made quite easy for me as we had the local Labour Assembly Member, David Rees, campaigning opposite and he had Stephen Kinnock with him. My opening line was.... "hi, can I have a chat with you please? this isn't party political it's about Europe," once I had said that people did stop and talk. I accept there are and were people who did not want to engage.... pretty much like myself when I see people wanting to stop and talk to me in the street, but the majority did and, as I said earlier the breakdown of those that did showed massive support to leave.
Better than me doing a Remain campaign stall, why don't you or some of the other ardent inners like Ealingblue do it? It would be genuinely interesting.
This seems to be the case with most people you ask. I'm certainly not going to infer that means there will be a definite out vote,
maybe the same sort are responding more vociferously than quiet inners,the general polls either show the in vote slightly ahead,
but a day or two later the opposite is true.
Why, has worked his arse off for 50 years for the country more like, if he's a leech them there are tens of millions in the UK have made their money from far less worthy pursuits
.
Typical comment made without having a scoobie
Don't know about it but I wouldn't respect someone much if they took a shilling from someone they hated. What would it say about someone who took the shilling and turned against their paymaster the second they couldIt's written into former EU commissioners' pension contracts that they must promote and remain loyal to the EU in order to continue receiving their pension.
So the next time you hear him praising the EU it might be because he means it, but it could be because he stands to lose going on for £100,000 per year if he doesn't say it.
Don't know about it but I wouldn't respect someone much if they took a shilling from someone they hated. What would it say about someone who took the shilling and turned against their paymaster the second they could
I made a point to a non point, are you suggesting that he is only pro European because he fears for his pension. What sort of person would go and work and sell the EU if they weren't pro European and why on earth would anyone expect Kinnock in retirement not to beEalingBlue2, I don't think even you believed you made any kind of point when you typed that!
Ealing, you've been relentless but I've watched as this thread has gradually crept up every week from 56% in favour of an exit, to what will soon be 59%.
And every week you're still banging the drum as it creeps up.
I must say, this amuses me greatly
It amuses me greatly that you think this forum will have any effect
Sadly it's a win win or lose lose for me like most general elections are as Australia is one country that gains From a Brexit so half of my family gains even if my family in the north and Wales certainly loses.
Which is a bit like any general election as I have always voted and supported a party that is against my self interest if I were to put my own economic circumstances ahead of principle
I acknowledge it is not a vote in or out I will have to suffer the consequences of