AlgarveBlu
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Good job that EU immigration isn't a factor for me then, isn't it when it comes to voting out.
So there's a moot point. Neither am I an isolationist. No, i'm more the rejection of unelected Commissioners, TTIP, protection of banks, forcing a EU superstate, forcing an EU Army, the failure of the Euro, loss of diversity amongst European nations, EU Flag, cheap labour, rather than where a person comes from. Live and let live. I want Britain to trade not just with the EU, but with the world, unrestricted, negotiating with various regions, actually make our elected politicians and government work for their overinflated wages. Migration helps nations thrive but people also need to understand the negative impact of too much migration. Again, not saying I personally have a problem but I understand the logic behind the concerns of those who do (aside from those who can only see skin colour)
Norway seems to have this same attitude, hence why it doesn't mind accepting EU migration as part of it's continuted trade deals. I'm between an EEA and EFTA arrangement or neither, and creating one that is specific to the UK, just as China, Canada, Mexico, India, Brazil, South Korea, Thailand etc have done. I was once a passionte inner in 2005, during 2006-2009 I began having doubts, then I realised I could no longer defend the direction the EU was heading in. My opinions, views and arguements about leaving the EU have been based on fact checked information, I have had my opinions changed one way and the other many times due to lack of accurate information (from both sides of the argument), hence why i've reached the decision that I have.
I honestly feel the European Union is a relic of the 20th Century and has no place being associated with a modern Britain finding it's feet in the world in the foreseeable future. I'd like to see other European nations follow suit, the European Union dissolve into nothing, the Eurozone breakup and for all European nations reform it from the remains, not from within it's current corrupt, totalitarian state.
Good post - I wouldn't go as far to say I was ever a passionate inner but I was ok with the concept up until they started the path down to homogenising Europe with the introduction of the Euro - they had made some positive changes up until then - Very good article from the economist Roger Bootle (he is pro brexit) on the Euro and the EU and echoes what I have said from the outset -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...and-the-euro-this-is-a-marriage-made-in-hell/
in summary it gives a brief history behind the inception of the currency the effects and why it will impact the UK should it implode or drive the eu forward to further fiscal and political union.
I have posed this question before to the remain camp because so much of their campaign is based on the leave campaign not being able to relay what a post brexit economy would look like - the simple answer is we don't know it's just guesses at best but same question needs to be posed about the eu - how will the uk operate on the fringes of a federalist system.
Where I think the remain camp may have a point although I don't see it raised much is that the eu will initially make negotiations torrid purely to set an example to the other states contemplating leaving but ultimately money is a great equaliser in these situations and the eu is not in a position to take any more hits to it's struggling economies.