EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Whilst I am not a big fan of the EU I can't help but feel that a vote to leave opens a Pandora's box and no-one knows the consequenses.

As someone who doesn't jump over a wall unless I know what is on the other side I will be voting to remain but I fear there are many whom I would consider reckless only too ready to jump into a potential abyss.

Hopefully good sense will prevail.

As for the personalities involved, I think I would find it hard to vote for any proposition put by Gove, Farage and Johnson who come across as men not to be trusted.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
They almost had me there, even the Mail on Sunday was telling me we were better off staying in.

The scaremongering and this blatant opportunism from Warsi has set me straight.

Out it is and just like the General Election result, no market analyst or pollster knows jack shit.

We are about to see the real whites of the eyes of this country and 40-odd per cent of it will finally realise they never really knew it in the first place.
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MoS are IN. Daily Mail is OUT.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Whilst I am not a big fan of the EU I can't help but feel that a vote to leave opens a Pandora's box and no-one knows the consequenses.

As someone who doesn't jump over a wall unless I know what is on the other side I will be voting to remain but I fear there are many whom I would consider reckless only too ready to jump into a potential abyss.

Hopefully good sense will prevail.

As for the personalities involved, I think I would find it hard to vote for any proposition put by Gove, Farage and Johnson who come across as men not to be trusted.
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So is it good sense that is informing your vote or being a non-risk taker by your very nature?

Perhaps not the best strategy;)
 
Tim of the Oak said:
True mate.

I have put down the phone when the pollsters ring and the polls have been overrated for years
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I think the margin of error would be even more pronounced this time around?

Anyone voting out appears to be tarred and pigeon holed as a racist Little Englander?

That is certainly not me, and I could well imagine plenty not admitting to their vote?

Plenty voted Tory, even though it seems the polls were much closer.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
As stated re the Sunday.
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Wasn't sure if you were considering the DM.
It looks a bit odd, but I think the TImes are In and the Sunday Times are Out.

For editiorial balance, I saw this in the i of pro-Remain/Leave front pages in the past month or so:

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It's almost as if the press barons have a vested interest!
 
Monkfish said:
Not mine but in tribute to Yep (Nopes) endless supply of pictures...

"We didn't fight two world wars to be ruled by Brussels/the Germans blah blah...."

I'm guessing, unless you are about 130 years old you actually didn't fight two world wars. I'm expecting that far from fighting any war, you've sat at home admiring your conservatory, and swallowing every euromyth Rupert Murdoch has fed you

You like the idea of "taking back control". You think leaving the EU will give you some kind of freedom. You haven't looked into the eyes of the people carrying those "taking back control" banners; Gove, Farage, Johnson. For some reason you think those guys have your best interests at heart? That they like alternative ideas? Or will allow you access to the truth? A free press? You do know that currently the UK is ranked 38th in the 2016 World Press Freedom Index? (Costa Rica, Ghana, Tonga and Uruguay all have a more independent media than the UK). That's how much our governing classes love freedom. They love their freedom (regulation-free) but not yours.

When they say "take back control", they mean; take control from Europe and give it all to them. The likes of Gove and Johnson and Rupert Murdoch. Journalist Anthony Hilton once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice."

Maybe the likes of Murdoch and Gove and Johnson and Farage want out of the EU because the EU has been the institution that has done most to give workers rights of employment. Many of the benefits and protections British people have at work are thanks to EU regulations, and there's zero chance the Tories would make maintaining those rights a priority in the event of #Brexit (see http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/25/workers-rights-are-on-the-line-in-eu-referendum-warns-tuc).

You need to know this; Murdoch wants more power and influence and the EU is standing in his way, Farage wants to privatise the NHS, even Cameron realised Gove was making a complete mess of being Education Secretary so sacked him; and Boris Johnson hates you.

The EU isn't perfect, far from it. But do you know what status Gove said the UK would have if we were outside the EU? He said we would be like Albania. He seemed to think that was a good thing (see http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-britain-will-act-like-bosnia-and-ukraine-in-event-of-brexit-says-michael-gove-a6991711.html).

I know some people who live in, say Burnley, are brought up to believe that people living the other side of the hill, like, say in Blackburn, are somehow their mortal enemies. I wasn't brought up like that. I was brought up to believe our similarities are greater than our differences, that our common humanity is something to be embraced. The idea of retreating into an enclave, away from Europe, away from the world, disturbs me. We should be connecting to the world, building bridges and alliances (not retreating to a little England).

I'm voting #Remain because I'd hate the idea of living on an island with xenophobic leaders, fewer rights of employment, disappearing press and media freedoms, and an economy on a par with Albania.

Plus, I genuinely love being European. Take Boursin, for example. It's the eighth wonder of the world.

#Boursin NOT #Brexit.
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
I think the margin of error would be even more pronounced this time around?

Anyone voting out appears to be tarred and pigeon holed as a racist Little Englander?

That is certainly not me, and I could well imagine plenty not admitting to their vote?

Plenty voted Tory, even though it seems the polls were much closer.
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I think voters on both sides might have concealed their votes. Until a few days ago immigration was the biggest issue in the public debate so it wasn't as if people couldn't express their views.

The sad killing of Jo Cox shouldn't affect people's votes. The contributors to this debate on Bluemoon have been responsible and weighed up the pros and cons as they see them! As City fans we know there a few loons in the national media who are irresponsible but we still have our own views!
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
So is it good sense that is informing your vote or being a non-risk taker by your very nature?

Perhaps not the best strategy;)
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Or perhaps a very good strategy. I know someone personally who jumped over a wall without knowing what was on the other side. He has been in a wheelchair ever since (40+ years).

There is nothing wrong with risk taking but I like to understand the potential rewards and the chances of achieving said rewards. In the case of Brexit there is no clarity imho.

I also run the UK operation of a multi-national corp. and I am fearful of the effect the prolonged period of instability that will surely follow any leave vote.
 
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