Everton Thread - 2023/24

[Semper aggressus]

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I think that this message needs sharing with a wider audience.

Thanks. I don‘t have twitter but if anyone wants to do the honours go for it!

 

[Mr Fraser]

Perhaps I am taking conspiracy theories too far. American owners want a closed shop, 1 franchise per city / region, and probably 2 in London

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Not if they get to your level, the level they want. 12 points to you now may mean a struggle for the title but you would still piss the CL spots.

Cant see them making CL as it stands. It will take them 5 or 6 years to get to where you are due to the restraints. All the while, yourselves, Arsenal, Spurs etc can still spend on quality players too. So they will always be playing catch up really if the follow the rules.

If Newcastle spent a billion quid, they’d fail FFP for 3 years, unless they somehow made a £900m profit the next year.

 

[BlueLou82]

If Newcastle spent a billion quid, they’d fail FFP for 3 years, unless they somehow made a £900m profit the next year.

Could take the max 12 point deduction each year. But you would think that billion would turn them into a world class team and the 12 points would make a small dent in their season.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Could take the max 12 point deduction each year. But you would think that billion would turn them into a world class team and the 12 points would make a small dent in their season.

The amount of money you spend isn’t necessarily directly proportional to how good your team is. You should know this by watching your team ;-)

If that isn’t a good enough example, there’s a team that claims to share the same city as us that have spent a ton with nothing to show for it.

God bless Ed Woodward.

 

[eyalluvitt]

I reckon it will be (should be) halved on appeal with the rest suspended.
I remember Spurs getting 12 point deduction in the 90s. So all this ‘record’ 10 points is nonsense.

I’m sure it will be, it’s just media hyperbole, remember they danced on our grave when we got a 2 year CL ban yet barely a murmur when it was laughed out of court/overturned on appeal

 

[ninjamonkey]

Could the threat of being sued by every club that fancies jumping on the bandwagon actually end up working in Evertons favour here?

The premier league are as bent as they come but they don't want this scenario where there's a minimum half a dozen sides suing another for hundreds of millions, it's awful for them on every level but this will absolutely happen and although it will be dragged out for as long as possible they'll stand a good of winning too.

The only way the premier league can prevent this now is if they accept evertons appeal and reduce punishment to a fine and maybe a suspended points deduction or conveniently change it to a single point deduction so that it wouldn't have impacted the final table had it been applied last season.

I've no doubts everton will be fine despite the points deduction in terms of survival this season but being sued for what could end up being half a billion would just destroy them for the next decade if not longer and leave them in a much worse situation than had they just been relegated in the first place.

 

[BlueLou82]

The amount of money you spend isn’t necessarily directly proportional to how good your team is. You should know this by watching your team ;-)

If that isn’t a good enough example, there’s a team that claims to share the same city as us that have spent a ton with nothing to show for it.

God bless Ed Woodward.

Oh I know, trust me!!

But its worth the risk imo. It depends on if they are willing to be patient as there are too many teams way ahead of them and can stay that way. They need a big push.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Oh I know, trust me!!

But its worth the risk imo. It depends on if they are willing to be patient as there are too many teams way ahead of them and can stay that way. They need a big push.

Let’s see how Chelsea navigate and what punishment they might get. That might be more relevant to Newcastle.

 

[Tracking back]

Football survived without ffp for decades. It's been brought in 100% to protect certain clubs

It's not doing a very good job of it.

Rags = finished

Dippers = one hit wonders (prem title)

Tarquins = legends in their own lunch time

 

[BlueLou82]

Let’s see how Chelsea navigate and what punishment they might get. That might be more relevant to Newcastle.

Chelsea havd admitted to stuff havent they, albeit saying look we have found this under our previous ownership.

Not right that new owners or again, the fans, are being punished for Abramovic dodgy dealings. So lets see what happens.

But then you could say the same about us. Kenwright DBB, Ingles, Sharp have gone from the incompetent board and Moshiri will probably be gone soon.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Chelsea havd admitted to stuff havent they, albeit saying look we have found this under our previous ownership.

Not right that new owners or again, the fans, are being punished for Abramovic dodgy dealings. So lets see what happens.

But then you could say the same about us. Kenwright DBB, Ingles, Sharp have gone from the incompetent board and Moshiri will probably be gone soon.

Chelsea will have 2 separate issues. The Cyprus dodgy Abramovich deals with Putin and spending a billion quid in a year.

The second one will be the one that Newcastle will watch and see if it’s worthwhile.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Not if they get to your level, the level they want. 12 points to you now may mean a struggle for the title but you would still piss the CL spots.

Cant see them making CL as it stands. It will take them 5 or 6 years to get to where you are due to the restraints. All the while, yourselves, Arsenal, Spurs etc can still spend on quality players too. So they will always be playing catch up really if the follow the rules.

Newcastle could make it to 5th, which is a C/L place, but probably wouldn't do so if they were to incur a 12pt penalty.
This would help the rags in their aim to get that 5th spot.

 

[Keeper!]

So we went over by £19m.

But the 10pts deduction could be the difference in 5 or 6 places, which is £12-15m. Then if other clubs sue it could cost millions more.

Where is the incentive to work with the PL? If I was Newcastle now, i'd be saying fuck the rules, go for it and we will buy that much quality the 12pt max deduction wont matter.

It's a joke, the business world must be looking on in utter bemusement, punishing a club and it's owners for an investment into its own business. Everton pumped millions into their club, city and football yet have been screwed.

The biggest mistake our owner made was not challenging this obscene rule in the courts from day one.

 

[big gaz]

Newcastle could make it to 5th, which is a C/L place, but probably wouldn't do so if they were to incur a 12pt penalty.
This would help the rags in their aim to get that 5th spot.

You cheery bugger you ;-)

 

[horlock_was_super]

Eveton's next game at home is United this should be fun, Booing the Premier League at the handshakes
I can see loads of trouble happening and Everton fans are a crazy bunch and even a full pitch invasion by their fans could happen, This could be an ugly game for the Premier League and its officials attending.

One Dodgy thing by the match Officials and VAR in favour of Utd could see the roof coming off, I bet their fans are already meeting to sort out a protest of some sort in and out of the ground

Its Skysport's main event 4.30pm kick off hahahaha

 

[The Black Shed]

My infantile business brain still can't compute this financial rule from PL ffp; it appears that clubs can post 'acceptable' losses of £105m over a three year period. Now, with sustainability also in the mix, simply put, how the fuck can any business operate sustainably with losses like that? Doesn't matter that it's a football club, could be Waitrose. No business will survive with losses like that. Scaled up or scaled down relative to the size of the company it's the same reasoning no? Losses should not be allowed full stop, not accepted.

 

[Stoned Rose]

In the season's 2011 - 2013 inclusive LFC made losses of 40 million and 48 million respectively yet were allowed to class this as " allowable stadium expenditure "
10 years later we overspend by 19.8 million and are penalised.

As an Everton fan you should know how that goes mate.

 

[Stoned Rose]

My infantile business brain still can't compute this financial rule from PL ffp; it appears that clubs can post 'acceptable' losses of £105m over a three year period. Now, with sustainability also in the mix, simply put, how the fuck can any business operate sustainably with losses like that? Doesn't matter that it's a football club, could be Waitrose. No business will survive with losses like that. Scaled up or scaled down relative to the size of the company it's the same reasoning no? Losses should not be allowed full stop, not accepted.

A business should be allowed to make as much money or lose as much money as it fucking wants imo.

No **** should have the right to interfere with that.

 

[dadnlad]

In the season's 2011 - 2013 inclusive LFC made losses of 40 million and 48 million respectively yet were allowed to class this as " allowable stadium expenditure "
10 years later we overspend by 19.8 million and are penalised.

careful you dont fall down that hole when walking dog in stanley park