How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Mr Kobayashi]

Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.

I wasn't talking about caring what people think. I'm also not going to bother talking to you anymore as you are the archetype of someone who knew what they were voting for.

 

[blueparrot]

Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.

Great, but if you could provide a list of benefits to balance the inconveniences, the increased costs to businesses, the loss of jobs and businesses that would be a appreciated.

 

[inbetween]

Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.

Other than the inconveniences, what did you gain from the vote? I still haven't seen any benefit from it, I only know people who have suffered and who continue to suffer in various industries and well everything else. I understand why people voted for it but we have to move past that now because it's just pointless and toxic.

I was a skeptic by the way and not a remainer but I voted remain because I thought it would be a shitshow and everything promised wouldn't happen which we now know to be true. There is no point in clinging onto the past, it has failed and we must now see sense and at least economically find a way to reattach to Europe.

If we don't then Europe will surpass us and we'll continue to be reduced in the world and suffer the consequences. When somebody thinks of building a new factory, why on earth would they choose the UK given the barriers that now exist to the market next door?

 

[hilts]

Can you explain why voting for Brexit wasn't a selfish act or are you as virtuous as the birth boycotters?

What did I get out of it?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Correct, I genuinely DO NOT what remoaners think. Neither do I think it 'is a mess' as the OP thinks. Who will be a remoaner too. There are some inconveniences no doubt. But then I expected that when I voted.

"Not a selfish act" and "DO NOT care" about others doesn't seem entirely consistent...

You see some inconveniencies
Their business has failed
We all lose 5% of GDP and the ability to staff social care

But who cares?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

"Not a selfish act" and "DO NOT care" about others doesn't seem entirely consistent...

You see some inconveniencies
Their business has failed
We all lose 5% of GDP and the ability to staff social care

But who cares?

Although those things are of course significant, I think over the past few years the soaring price of energy driving a low growth and high inflation economy has overtaken Brexit as an issue for ourselves and our EU friends. We've already wasted a decade or more on circular Brexit arguments and now risk 'fiddling while Rome burns'.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What did I get out of it?

Your vote counted for once?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Although those things are of course significant, I think over the past few years the soaring price of energy driving a low growth and high inflation economy has overtaken Brexit as an issue for ourselves and our EU friends. We've already wasted a decade or more on circular Brexit arguments and now risk 'fiddling while Rome burns'.

The problem is that the "Brexit arguments" will never be resolved. That's not a complaint, it's just reality. All of the issues you highlight are tied up to our relationship with our closest trading partner, so that relationship will be undergoing constant renegotiation of various sorts. This is all the moreso because the current settlement is obviously daft in various ways (look at all the delays on border controls just for one example), driven often by ideology, but also incompetence.

We're in this for the long run, like it or not, I'm afraid.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The problem is that the "Brexit arguments" will never be resolved. That's not a complaint, it's just reality. All of the issues you highlight are tied up to our relationship with our closest trading partner, so that relationship will be undergoing constant renegotiation of various sorts. This is all the moreso because the current settlement is obviously daft in various ways (look at all the delays on border controls just for one example), driven often by ideology, but also incompetence.

We're in this for the long run, like it or not, I'm afraid.

Governments for the next 20-40 years will be gradually working towards the sensible compromise we should have found when we left. I was surprised Starmer didn't flex more on free movement but I supposed he sensed it was politically dangerous in that it could be seen/spun as weak on immigration

 

[Blue and true]

By reversing it completely.